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New home builders routes to save money

Posted on 12/9/20 at 7:04 pm
Posted by shoelessjoe
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Posted on 12/9/20 at 7:04 pm
I was once told by someone on this board that going to a local furniture store to see what you want, then ordering from North Carolina can save you about 40% because of furniture being made in that area. Any other little ideas like that can help me, cost wise? I recently went to a sink, faucet, shower and toilet store, got prices of things we wanted and looked online and saw it was much more cheaper. Anything else I may be overlooking? Cost of lumber will kill me, I know already. Any online stores or websites used by others would be greatly appreciated. Want to do it right. Save on cost but not on quality.
This post was edited on 12/9/20 at 7:43 pm
Posted by Coon
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 12/9/20 at 7:35 pm to
Don’t let your wife pick anything out.
Posted by shoelessjoe
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 12/9/20 at 7:42 pm to
We are doing it together, she wants to save money probably more than me. Not save on quality, but save on cost.
Posted by Jaspermac
Texas
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 12/9/20 at 7:49 pm to
We bought everything when building. I have a large shop to store things. My office is across from Lowe’s but would buy and have shipped for a lot cheaper. I use westside wholesale for all electric. Remember everything is negotiable
Posted by shoelessjoe
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Posted on 12/9/20 at 7:55 pm to
Thanks.
Posted by chalupa
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Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:31 pm to
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Posted by shoelessjoe
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:38 pm to
Thanks.
Posted by Bawcephus
Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 12/9/20 at 10:50 pm to
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Save on cost but not on quality.






Things that don't exist for $1000 Alex (RIP)
Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 12/9/20 at 11:00 pm to
Cabinets are super easy to build and you can buy the doors from rawdoor.net at a reasonable cost if you don't feel comfortable building doors.
Posted by Bawcephus
Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 12/9/20 at 11:14 pm to
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Cabinets are super easy to build



You sir, are insane.

A birdhouse is "super easy to build".

But fricking cabinets? Done right?


No.
Posted by indytiger
baton rouge/indy
Member since Oct 2004
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Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:43 am to
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I was once told by someone on this board that going to a local furniture store to see what you want, then ordering from North Carolina can save you about 40% because of furniture being made in that area


Where does one order furniture from in NC?
Posted by shoelessjoe
Member since Jul 2006
9891 posts
Posted on 12/10/20 at 3:24 am to
Really just have to search. According to wickowick, you can save a fortune. Most furniture is made there so it’s cheaper cost wise.
Posted by CollegeFBRules
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 12/10/20 at 4:47 am to
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Cabinets are super easy to build


No they aren’t.
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 12/10/20 at 6:52 am to
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quote:
Cabinets are super easy to build



You sir, are insane.

A birdhouse is "super easy to build".

But fricking cabinets? Done right?


No.


It is FAR cheaper to buy factor cabinets than build them UNLESS the situation requires custom built cabinets for some reason.

I own what amounts to a small production cabinet shop and have built MANY custom cabinets and there is no way I would attempt to fabricate a new home cabinet build in an effort to save money. Unless you are talking about something extremely basic...plywood frames, rails and styles, or maybe even curtains for doors there is simply no way you can buy the wood and hardware for the cost of a factory cabinet....let alone the labor and consumables required if you already own the tools....
Posted by Gtmodawg
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Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 12/10/20 at 6:56 am to
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quote:
Cabinets are super easy to build


No they aren’t.




Basic cabinets are easy to build....but no one can do it on a scale required to do an entire house cheaper than they can but high quality factory cabinets. Pocket screws and a track saw and some plywood and anyone with moderate skills can do it....but the plywood required to build a basic bathroom vanity will cost what a finished vanity with a molded sink and faucet costs.....and you ain't even got into rails, styles, doors and hardware or labor and overhead...router bits and saw blades don't last forever and good ones ain't cheap....
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 12/10/20 at 6:59 am to
quote:

I was once told by someone on this board that going to a local furniture store to see what you want, then ordering from North Carolina can save you about 40% because of furniture being made in that area. Any other little ideas like that can help me, cost wise? I recently went to a sink, faucet, shower and toilet store, got prices of things we wanted and looked online and saw it was much more cheaper. Anything else I may be overlooking? Cost of lumber will kill me, I know already. Any online stores or websites used by others would be greatly appreciated. Want to do it right. Save on cost but not on quality.



High end custom and semi-production furniture is less expensive in the area but it ain't 40% cheaper....the stuff they make for retail sells is the same price in North Carolina as it is in San Diego because they can't sell it for less contracturally...it used to be that they did occasionally have seconds and rejects but with automation the QC is such that this is rare and usually shipped to retailers who sell such items.
Posted by TheNolaClap
Jersey Shore (not fist pump)
Member since Jun 2012
1489 posts
Posted on 12/10/20 at 7:10 am to
Buy flooring from the GA wholesale operations. Again, most flooring is made in that area so I was able to find product I liked, and buy and freight ship it for almost a 1/3 less money than buying local. Nobody local would touch the price.
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 12/10/20 at 7:31 am to
If you are serious about saving money and can buy stuff and store it and aren't worried about debt service on a building loan there are numerous surplus building material places around the country where you can find almost anything imaginable...for instance doors and windows are manufactured all of the place and they get orders which are cancelled and sell them for cost or less to get them out of the warehouse...the problem is you gotta have them in hand to rough frame them and you may wind up with different styles etc.

The same is true with siding and flooring...concrete fiber board siding is manufacturing in a bunch of places and marketed under a couple of brands. It is not uncommon for surpluse building supply places to have a bunch of it and vinyl on hand...but again, they may not have enough of the same style, color to do the build so you have to get it all before hand and be prepared to use the differences in style in a way that is either unoticeable or complimentary.

Bricks are also readily available as seconds or rejects but they may cost substantially more for a mason to lay due to their lack of quality. And again, quantities of any one style will be limited so you gotta use them accordingly.


Roofing shingles are also prone to factory QC issues and they are readily available....but probably not with a warranty required to get a mortgage. If you ain't getting a mortgage though they can be a big savings and in my experience are just as good as any shingle.

Keep in mind that ALL building materials have a shelf life...if it is being sold at a surplus material place odds are good it was stored outdoors for possibly years at the manufacturer and maybe at a auction house and no doubt at the surplus place....all of it is subject to abnormally wear when stored improperly.

Labor is a BIG cost....but if you have some experience and know what right looks like it is entirely possible to get experienced tradesmen to work for cash on your project....if you are willing to accept the risk or have insurance. Ride through a subdivision and ask questions...all of those guys sideline and most will have connections at a wholesale house....it is nearly impossible to buy HVAC equipment wholesale but just about all HVAC technicians know someplace that will sell to them. If you ain't comfortable with this though it will cost you dearly...but if you know what you are doing it works well....I did re-roofs for years doing this....I had the cash to buy the materials and pay for the labor and already had workers comp and liability insurance...2 dudes can take one off and put one on and haul the old one to a landfill over a weekend and put $1000 cash in their pocket for their efforts. Almost all plumbers can pull a plumbing permit unless they are a helper....and most electricians can do the same. If you ain't concerned with servicing the debt on a building loan and know what you are doing this works very well....if either of these is not so it will cost you more than you save.

Finally do as much of the work as you can and know how to do. Anyone can install a sprinkler system, hand light fixtures, trim out properly roughed in plumbing, set cabinets and appliances, paint....it would be a rare builder or contractor who will allow it because most of the time they are servicing a building loan and time is money...and it is damned difficult for a home owner with no track record and no long term relationship with a builder to get a building loan....but if you can find that builder or build out of pocket there are numerous ways to save piles on the cost of home construction if you know what you are doing. However, considering the costs involved and the myriad of variables AND most likely needing a mortgage when finished if you miss dotting an i or crossing a t somewhere along the way you could cost yourself a fortune trying to save a few bucks...

Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 12/10/20 at 7:40 am to
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Don’t let your wife pick anything out.



I have built several homes and I know lots of people who have done a couple and this is as spot on as anything can be...but it ain't always the wife....husbands lose their minds also when picking out door hardware for example.

It is best to spend some time establishing what kind of finishes you both expect before hand and agree that neither of you will waiver...nothing warms the cockles of a builders heart like a buyer mentioning a $1500 kitchen faucet when the finish schedule calls for a $50 one....and despite the fact that it may "only be a few dollars" if it happens with EVERY item you went from $110 a foot build to a $140 a foot build and are now out of the market and won't get an appraisal needed to get a mortgage....there is a wide gap between spec grade finishes, those used in track homes and houses being built on speculation, and the majority or homeowners are totally unaware of what a price difference of a few bucks in cabinet hingers will do the the cost of a build...


And absolutely, under any circumstance, make any changes once the contract is signed...yes, moving that door or wall is simple when framing....and wouldn't have cost much if anything when in negotiating costs....but once the builder has a signed contract you no longer have any leverage....nothing makes a builder happier than buyers who love watching home improvement shows....they are a blank check. All builders will act as if they are exasperated....its just that, an act. If they know what they are doing that door being added will make a payment on their lake house next month and cost them $25.....
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 12/10/20 at 7:47 am to
quote:

We are doing it together, she wants to save money probably more than me. Not save on quality, but save on cost.




Quality is way over used when it comes to house construction...the basic quality will be inherent with a reputable builder and bank...but finishes is where they turn into con men.....FHA approved flooring is sufficient quality to last through the warranty period and will facilitate a mortgage.....but compared to mid grade flooring is DIRT cheap....and there ain't any comparison between the mid grade costs and high end costs...all of it is sufficient in terms of quality....a one piece acrylic shower stall will do anything a custom built tile shower will do....it will last through the warranty period and it will facilitate a mortgage....and, it will most likely retain more resell value than that beautiful architecturally designed tile surround y'all thought was GORGEOUS and the epitome of luxury only to find that buyers have a different opinion....very few houses are built in this country which do not eventually get resold....high end finishes are expensive and their value after the initial sell is questionable at best....
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