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Msm Turf questions

Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:28 pm
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:28 pm
I used some Ortho weed b gone a couple of months ago and was surprised how well it worked. We have gotten a lot of rain in the past week and a ton of what I think is Virginia button weed has popped up almost overnight. I have heard Msm turf is very effective for it but had a few concerns. First is it ok to use this time of year? I am in Savannah, Ga which is obviously a similar climate to south La. Also will it be safe for a combination of centipede and St Augustine(majority St Aug)? Also in suggestions on where to get it other than online? Amazon cant get it to me until late next week and I wanted to treat this weekend. Also any other overall tips? TIA
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
5997 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:49 pm to
I use it to spot treat most of the year, try not to in july/aug
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5268 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:49 pm to
Yes to all, temp and your grasses, and I seem to recall there is a Site One Landscape in the Suburbs of Savannah that should carry it. In Baton Rouge some, but not all, independent retail garden centers carry it as do at least some sod suppliers, and feed & seed type stores often carry it. Maybe a Tractor Supply store? You’d need to check.

I should note if you read the label on MSM Turf it says don’t use at temps above 85 F but I’ve used it a higher temps safely and this was on the advice of horticultural professionals. If you find it, all the application rates will be in oz per acre. So you don’t have to do the math, 1/8 teaspoon or 0.5 grams per gallon + 2 tsp of surfactant for spot spraying will work. Be prepared for a follow up application in 3 weeks. Expect some temporary yellowing of St Aug and centipede but it will recover.
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 3:10 pm to
Thanks! We have a Site One near my work.
Posted by The Nino
Member since Jan 2010
21521 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 3:24 pm to
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So you don’t have to do the math, 1/8 teaspoon or 0.5 grams per gallon + 2 tsp of surfactant for spot spraying will work. Be prepared for a follow up application in 3 weeks.
Is this the ratio for a bermuda lawn as well? I have it written on a post-it note somewhere in my shed but who knows if I can find it And I thought re-spraying was more like 6 weeks?

Thanks for the input
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
6207 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 3:51 pm to
It is the same as Bermuda but technically bermuda can tolerate a higher dose. In bermuda you can do another spot treatment in 2 weeks.

If you have tif you can definitely go higher. Just to experiment on my own lawn I used .85 ozs of Celsius in 2 gallons of water and all it did was yellow my lawn for a week. The correct fill for 2 gallons is .25 ozs. After that I cut it with an additional 2 gallons of water and sprayed at .425 ozs and I didn't even have yellowing.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5268 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 3:53 pm to
Yes - same for Bermudagrass. 3-4 weeks.is the usual norm if a re-spray is required which is usually the case on a perennial. You can double check the label to see - I didn’t see anything mentioned On re-spray interval but I may have missed it - it’s a long label.
Posted by The Nino
Member since Jan 2010
21521 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 3:59 pm to
quote:

it’s a long labe
That thing accordions out like 3 feet

Thanks craw and ronk
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 8:40 pm to
Should I use a surfactant to help make sure I apply evenly? I will just be using a cheap two gallon pump sprayer. Just worried I want apply evenly and might over apply. Also is it best to apply in the morning or evening?
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 8:48 pm to
Surfactant will make it stick better. But yes it definitely helps. I typically spray in the evenings.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5268 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:05 pm to
Surfactant will help the targeted weeds absorb the herbicide, particularly “waxy” leafed plants, dollarweed, Virginia Buttonweed, being good examples. Just a couple teaspoons per gallon of herbicide solution

Personally, I try to spray in the AM when it’s hot outside, but otherwise when it’s convenient.
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:08 pm to
Well I feel dumb. I was under the impression that it had a coloring agent so you could see where you sprayed that would go away after drying.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5268 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:15 pm to
That’s a different product, you can try that as well if you want, but I bought the marking dye and tried it once and wasn’t impressed. Threw the rest away.
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 11:38 pm
Posted by peaster68
Mississippi
Member since Dec 2011
6117 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:13 pm to
Marking dye is really a pain in the butt.
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 7:14 am to
Any tips on applying evenly.? With the ortho in the pump stayer I didn’t think I was applying enough. With the msm I’m already a little worried I will over apply. Should I just go slow and spray until the grass looks wet?
Posted by WPBTiger
Parts Unknown
Member since Nov 2011
31072 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:10 am to
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Any tips on applying evenly.?


Most seem to recommend using a backpack sprayer with the fan tip. Does your current sprayer have a fan tip?
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 9:09 am to
I honestly don't know but I don't think it does. It is just a two gallon pump sprayer I got at Home Depot for like 20 bucks.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5268 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 9:10 am to
Sounds like you’ll be spraying the entire lawn vs spot spraying - correct?

I agree a fan tip is desirable for entire lawn spraying but your ortho sprayer doesn’t likely have one, but down the road you can look at purchasing a another sprayer with interchangeable spray tips, whether hand held or backpack. FWIW, I’ve settled on Solo brand sprayers and been happy with them.

To avoid over or under spraying you need to “calibrate” your sprayer. You are going to apply the targeted amount of MSM Turf (by state) over 1000 sq ft of lawn. Think of the water in the sprayer is only a carrier, not a dilutant, so you can use 1 or 2 gallon of water in the sprayer, with the herbicide and spray that evenly over 1000 sq ft of lawn.

To “calibrate” your sprayer, mark off 1000 sq ft in your driveway. Put 1 or 2 gal of water in the sprayer, then start spraying the 1000 sq ft. If you empty the sprayer of water before you completely spray the 1000 sq ft. you are over spraying and need to pick up your space while walking, if you have water remaining in the sprayer after spraying 1000 sq ft you are under spraying and need to slow your pace of walking while spraying. So it is a trial and error approach fo zero in on the right technique. I personally find it easier to spray 2 gal of solution vs 1 gal per 1000 sq ft, might be different for you. Use a 1.5 gal if you want.

Once you’ve figured out the right combination for you, mix the MSM Turf in the water and spray the lawn.

Expect some yellowing and reduction in growth of the desirable turf grass after spraying, that’s normal, but it will recover.
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 9:45 am to
I might need to get a new sprayer. Realized I used a bleach solution in it previously when bleach is not supposed to be used in this type of sprayer. I also have a little small hand held sprayer(slightly less than a gallon) that I used for spraying plants with neem oil.
Posted by The Nino
Member since Jan 2010
21521 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 9:57 am to
Scotts makes a 2 gallon sprayer with a multi-spray tip. The fan setting works well
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