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Msm Turf questions
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:28 pm
I used some Ortho weed b gone a couple of months ago and was surprised how well it worked. We have gotten a lot of rain in the past week and a ton of what I think is Virginia button weed has popped up almost overnight. I have heard Msm turf is very effective for it but had a few concerns. First is it ok to use this time of year? I am in Savannah, Ga which is obviously a similar climate to south La. Also will it be safe for a combination of centipede and St Augustine(majority St Aug)? Also in suggestions on where to get it other than online? Amazon cant get it to me until late next week and I wanted to treat this weekend. Also any other overall tips? TIA 

Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:49 pm to mouton
I use it to spot treat most of the year, try not to in july/aug
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:49 pm to mouton
Yes to all, temp and your grasses, and I seem to recall there is a Site One Landscape in the Suburbs of Savannah that should carry it. In Baton Rouge some, but not all, independent retail garden centers carry it as do at least some sod suppliers, and feed & seed type stores often carry it. Maybe a Tractor Supply store? You’d need to check.
I should note if you read the label on MSM Turf it says don’t use at temps above 85 F but I’ve used it a higher temps safely and this was on the advice of horticultural professionals. If you find it, all the application rates will be in oz per acre. So you don’t have to do the math, 1/8 teaspoon or 0.5 grams per gallon + 2 tsp of surfactant for spot spraying will work. Be prepared for a follow up application in 3 weeks. Expect some temporary yellowing of St Aug and centipede but it will recover.
I should note if you read the label on MSM Turf it says don’t use at temps above 85 F but I’ve used it a higher temps safely and this was on the advice of horticultural professionals. If you find it, all the application rates will be in oz per acre. So you don’t have to do the math, 1/8 teaspoon or 0.5 grams per gallon + 2 tsp of surfactant for spot spraying will work. Be prepared for a follow up application in 3 weeks. Expect some temporary yellowing of St Aug and centipede but it will recover.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 3:10 pm to CrawDude
Thanks! We have a Site One near my work.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 3:24 pm to CrawDude
quote:Is this the ratio for a bermuda lawn as well? I have it written on a post-it note somewhere in my shed but who knows if I can find it
So you don’t have to do the math, 1/8 teaspoon or 0.5 grams per gallon + 2 tsp of surfactant for spot spraying will work. Be prepared for a follow up application in 3 weeks.

Thanks for the input

Posted on 5/28/20 at 3:51 pm to The Nino
It is the same as Bermuda but technically bermuda can tolerate a higher dose. In bermuda you can do another spot treatment in 2 weeks.
If you have tif you can definitely go higher. Just to experiment on my own lawn I used .85 ozs of Celsius in 2 gallons of water and all it did was yellow my lawn for a week. The correct fill for 2 gallons is .25 ozs. After that I cut it with an additional 2 gallons of water and sprayed at .425 ozs and I didn't even have yellowing.
If you have tif you can definitely go higher. Just to experiment on my own lawn I used .85 ozs of Celsius in 2 gallons of water and all it did was yellow my lawn for a week. The correct fill for 2 gallons is .25 ozs. After that I cut it with an additional 2 gallons of water and sprayed at .425 ozs and I didn't even have yellowing.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 3:53 pm to The Nino
Yes - same for Bermudagrass. 3-4 weeks.is the usual norm if a re-spray is required which is usually the case on a perennial. You can double check the label to see - I didn’t see anything mentioned On re-spray interval but I may have missed it - it’s a long label.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 3:59 pm to CrawDude
quote:That thing accordions out like 3 feet
it’s a long labe

Thanks craw and ronk

Posted on 6/1/20 at 8:40 pm to CrawDude
Should I use a surfactant to help make sure I apply evenly? I will just be using a cheap two gallon pump sprayer. Just worried I want apply evenly and might over apply. Also is it best to apply in the morning or evening?
Posted on 6/1/20 at 8:48 pm to mouton
Surfactant will make it stick better. But yes it definitely helps. I typically spray in the evenings.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:05 pm to mouton
Surfactant will help the targeted weeds absorb the herbicide, particularly “waxy” leafed plants, dollarweed, Virginia Buttonweed, being good examples. Just a couple teaspoons per gallon of herbicide solution
Personally, I try to spray in the AM when it’s hot outside, but otherwise when it’s convenient.
Personally, I try to spray in the AM when it’s hot outside, but otherwise when it’s convenient.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:08 pm to CrawDude
Well I feel dumb. I was under the impression that it had a coloring agent so you could see where you sprayed that would go away after drying.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:15 pm to mouton
That’s a different product, you can try that as well if you want, but I bought the marking dye and tried it once and wasn’t impressed. Threw the rest away. 

This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:13 pm to CrawDude
Marking dye is really a pain in the butt.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 7:14 am to peaster68
Any tips on applying evenly.? With the ortho in the pump stayer I didn’t think I was applying enough. With the msm I’m already a little worried I will over apply. Should I just go slow and spray until the grass looks wet?
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:10 am to mouton
quote:
Any tips on applying evenly.?
Most seem to recommend using a backpack sprayer with the fan tip. Does your current sprayer have a fan tip?
Posted on 6/2/20 at 9:09 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
I honestly don't know but I don't think it does. It is just a two gallon pump sprayer I got at Home Depot for like 20 bucks.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 9:10 am to mouton
Sounds like you’ll be spraying the entire lawn vs spot spraying - correct?
I agree a fan tip is desirable for entire lawn spraying but your ortho sprayer doesn’t likely have one, but down the road you can look at purchasing a another sprayer with interchangeable spray tips, whether hand held or backpack. FWIW, I’ve settled on Solo brand sprayers and been happy with them.
To avoid over or under spraying you need to “calibrate” your sprayer. You are going to apply the targeted amount of MSM Turf (by state) over 1000 sq ft of lawn. Think of the water in the sprayer is only a carrier, not a dilutant, so you can use 1 or 2 gallon of water in the sprayer, with the herbicide and spray that evenly over 1000 sq ft of lawn.
To “calibrate” your sprayer, mark off 1000 sq ft in your driveway. Put 1 or 2 gal of water in the sprayer, then start spraying the 1000 sq ft. If you empty the sprayer of water before you completely spray the 1000 sq ft. you are over spraying and need to pick up your space while walking, if you have water remaining in the sprayer after spraying 1000 sq ft you are under spraying and need to slow your pace of walking while spraying. So it is a trial and error approach fo zero in on the right technique. I personally find it easier to spray 2 gal of solution vs 1 gal per 1000 sq ft, might be different for you. Use a 1.5 gal if you want.
Once you’ve figured out the right combination for you, mix the MSM Turf in the water and spray the lawn.
Expect some yellowing and reduction in growth of the desirable turf grass after spraying, that’s normal, but it will recover.
I agree a fan tip is desirable for entire lawn spraying but your ortho sprayer doesn’t likely have one, but down the road you can look at purchasing a another sprayer with interchangeable spray tips, whether hand held or backpack. FWIW, I’ve settled on Solo brand sprayers and been happy with them.
To avoid over or under spraying you need to “calibrate” your sprayer. You are going to apply the targeted amount of MSM Turf (by state) over 1000 sq ft of lawn. Think of the water in the sprayer is only a carrier, not a dilutant, so you can use 1 or 2 gallon of water in the sprayer, with the herbicide and spray that evenly over 1000 sq ft of lawn.
To “calibrate” your sprayer, mark off 1000 sq ft in your driveway. Put 1 or 2 gal of water in the sprayer, then start spraying the 1000 sq ft. If you empty the sprayer of water before you completely spray the 1000 sq ft. you are over spraying and need to pick up your space while walking, if you have water remaining in the sprayer after spraying 1000 sq ft you are under spraying and need to slow your pace of walking while spraying. So it is a trial and error approach fo zero in on the right technique. I personally find it easier to spray 2 gal of solution vs 1 gal per 1000 sq ft, might be different for you. Use a 1.5 gal if you want.
Once you’ve figured out the right combination for you, mix the MSM Turf in the water and spray the lawn.
Expect some yellowing and reduction in growth of the desirable turf grass after spraying, that’s normal, but it will recover.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 9:45 am to CrawDude
I might need to get a new sprayer. Realized I used a bleach solution in it previously when bleach is not supposed to be used in this type of sprayer. I also have a little small hand held sprayer(slightly less than a gallon) that I used for spraying plants with neem oil.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 9:57 am to mouton
Scotts makes a 2 gallon sprayer with a multi-spray tip. The fan setting works well
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