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re: Louisiana Tropical Fruit Gardening - Experiences and Updates
Posted on 11/10/26 at 10:37 am to Tigerlaff
Posted on 11/10/26 at 10:37 am to Tigerlaff
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Would be great to get another week or two without greenhouses.
I am hesitant to say this because I don't someone to try it and it does not work for them, but this will be my 6th year doing it with two different popup greenhouses and it has always worked and I have never had an issue with it. 4 of those years were in Alaska with some pretty severe wind and weather.
Instead of staking or weighting each leg, I had an anchor in the ground in the middle of the greenhouse, and I attached a racket strap around the center support of the roof (where all the braces come together) and tighten it down. This puts enough pressure on the legs that they do not move or blow around. This year instead of a ground anchor, I am using a 50ish gallon garbage can full of water with a lid and running the straps through the handles and over the lid. The water in the garbage can should give me a few extra degrees at night. I am just sharing this in case you want to play around with the idea and see how it works for you.
I am not responsible for anyone doing this and tightening it too much and breaking it. It doesn't take alot to keep it in place.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 12:30 pm to TimeOutdoors
that’s two really good ideas. I am fortunate to have a hot water tap I can run over to my shelter so I’m going to fill up a trash can of hot (125) water. I think that will do a bunch of work
Posted on 11/10/26 at 3:29 pm to TimeOutdoors
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Instead of staking or weighting each leg, I had an anchor in the ground in the middle of the greenhouse, and I attached a racket strap around the center support of the roof (where all the braces come together) and tighten it down. This puts enough pressure on the legs that they do not move or blow around.
I do something very similar, but easier IMO. I fill four 5g home depot buckets with water, affix the lids, then use paracord and run it through the bucket handles and secure them to the frame at each corner of the greenhouse with detachable carabiners. Each corner gets its own bucket. The water provides a bit of thermal mass and you can also remove the lids if we hit a very dry spell to raise internal humidity. On very cold nights, you just pop off the carabiners and fill each bucket with hot bath water and put them back in. It works great and is super easy. I have never had wind overcome the weight of the 5g water buckets.
This post was edited on 11/10/26 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 11/10/26 at 6:34 pm to Tigerlaff
harvested some roselle hibiscus calyx’s today. The plants while still huge have started to decline rapidly, they are breaking over quickly. Part of it is by design, I haven’t watered them in a month which is what the WWW said to do to force rapid flowering.
harvest is almost identical to okra which makes sense; there’s buds and flowers and calyx’s of all different stages of development. With a possible freeze soon I wanted to make sure we got a crop so we cut every calyx we could see that had already flowered, basically every one that the flower itself had dropped. Assuming it doesn’t freeze I’ll leave the rest to see how big they get.
to clean you just cut off the stem end like an okra and the green seed pod drops right out. The remaining calyx is clean and ready for storage or drying.
Going to run these thru the freeze drier and enjoy some tea
harvest is almost identical to okra which makes sense; there’s buds and flowers and calyx’s of all different stages of development. With a possible freeze soon I wanted to make sure we got a crop so we cut every calyx we could see that had already flowered, basically every one that the flower itself had dropped. Assuming it doesn’t freeze I’ll leave the rest to see how big they get.
to clean you just cut off the stem end like an okra and the green seed pod drops right out. The remaining calyx is clean and ready for storage or drying.
Going to run these thru the freeze drier and enjoy some tea
Posted on 11/11/26 at 7:29 am to cgrand
PSA - Best Deal on Heavy Duty Pots
I use heavy duty injection molded black nursery pots for a lot of reasons. It's been discussed in this thread. If you only want to use beautiful decorative ceramic pots that you can't move then this isn't for you.
This is the best deal I've ever found on 25g pots. Using code WELCOME10, you can get ten 25g pots for $225 flat and free shipping. $22.50/pot is the best you are going to find on injection molded pots unless you have a nursery or wholesale connection. For comparison, 10 pots would normally cost me $375 from my usual Amazon seller. Just placed an order this morning which should get me through the next 5 years or so.
Green Oasis Pots
On pot sizes, 15g is the bare minimum for adult fruit trees. You can use smaller ones but the trees are going to have significant problems. 25g is the minimum for satisfactory fruit production in my experience. I can get 75-100 guavas, 60-80 starfruit, 15-20 atemoyas, 10-12 mangos, 100-200 key limes, etc. from a 25g tree. 45g is the first size where they start behaving comparably to an in ground tree in terms of health and productivity and most can live in 45g forever. A 45g mango will produce plenty of fruit.
25g usually ends up being the ideal size for most home growers and they have the largest dimensions that USPS, Fedex, and UPS will ship. Anything larger requires pallet freight.
I use heavy duty injection molded black nursery pots for a lot of reasons. It's been discussed in this thread. If you only want to use beautiful decorative ceramic pots that you can't move then this isn't for you.
This is the best deal I've ever found on 25g pots. Using code WELCOME10, you can get ten 25g pots for $225 flat and free shipping. $22.50/pot is the best you are going to find on injection molded pots unless you have a nursery or wholesale connection. For comparison, 10 pots would normally cost me $375 from my usual Amazon seller. Just placed an order this morning which should get me through the next 5 years or so.
Green Oasis Pots
On pot sizes, 15g is the bare minimum for adult fruit trees. You can use smaller ones but the trees are going to have significant problems. 25g is the minimum for satisfactory fruit production in my experience. I can get 75-100 guavas, 60-80 starfruit, 15-20 atemoyas, 10-12 mangos, 100-200 key limes, etc. from a 25g tree. 45g is the first size where they start behaving comparably to an in ground tree in terms of health and productivity and most can live in 45g forever. A 45g mango will produce plenty of fruit.
25g usually ends up being the ideal size for most home growers and they have the largest dimensions that USPS, Fedex, and UPS will ship. Anything larger requires pallet freight.
This post was edited on 11/11/26 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 11/11/26 at 10:56 am to Tigerlaff
these are the pots you are painting root inhibitor on? That is a good price
Posted on 11/11/26 at 11:00 am to cgrand
If anyone would like some ornamental ginger let me know. I’m about to dig these clumps out and relocate some.
some are pink and some are white. They both smell incredible. I need to get rid of most of this it grows really fast. I also have a couple pots of spiral ginger
some are pink and some are white. They both smell incredible. I need to get rid of most of this it grows really fast. I also have a couple pots of spiral ginger
Posted on 11/11/26 at 12:35 pm to cgrand
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These are the pots you are painting root inhibitor on? That is a good price
Yes. I paint anything over 3g. This price is fantastic.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 2:17 pm to Tigerlaff
That is a really good deal. They are great just for working around the yard too when you don’t really need a cart or wheelbarrow.
The code didn’t work for me, but 250$ plus free shipping is a good deal. Thanks for passing it on.
The code didn’t work for me, but 250$ plus free shipping is a good deal. Thanks for passing it on.
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Dwarf Hawaiian Mango I just received. I’ve only lost one mango tree so I wanted to get a replacement for it. I think it’s a great looking tree. Exotic Palm Source was the supplier. This post was edited on 11/11/26 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 11/11/26 at 6:04 pm to TimeOutdoors
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The code didn’t work for me, but 250$ plus free shipping is a good deal. Thanks for passing it on.
You have to sign up for their email list.
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Dwarf Hawaiian Mango I just received. I’ve only lost one mango tree so I wanted to get a replacement for it. I think it’s a great looking tree. Exotic Palm Source was the supplier.
Very good looking little tree. Honestly it looks ready for the initial heading cut to begin branching. Only do this if you can keep it above 60F all winter. If not, wait until spring to make the initial cut. I'm sure you know but DH is a very eager bloomer.
This post was edited on 11/11/26 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 11/11/26 at 6:36 pm to Tigerlaff
It will be in my office starting tomorrow until the spring. I’ll probably give it a month in the pot before cutting.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 7:15 pm to TimeOutdoors
OK. This right here is a serious frost risk. It's looking to be a clear windless couple of nights and perfect for frost formation at about 37F. Three degrees is well within a reasonable margin of error. This is especially true for the Northshore, where models consistently underestimate the minimum lows. The models think the lake mitigates cold more than it actually does.
It also looks like it's going to warm up significantly after next week, so I really don't want to deploy the entire setup if I don't have to. I am going to simply cover a few things in pots with frost cloth, maybe add a heat bulb to anything fruiting.
Things worth covering with this forecast:
Mangos
Sugar apple
Starfruit
Sapodilla
Jamaican cherry
Tropical guava
Tropical passionfruit
Miracle fruit
Mamey
No need to cover any of the following with a forecast of 40F and possible light frost:
Loquat
Eugenias
Citrus
Cattley guava
Jaboticaba
Lychee
Longan
White sapote
Atemoya
Will make the final call tomorrow. Don't let laziness undo months/years of your hard work. A good frost won't kill any of these trees but it will definitely burn their foliage off if it hits just right.
This post was edited on 11/11/26 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 11/12/26 at 7:32 am to Tigerlaff
Forecast still calling for lows of 41F and 42F on Saturday and Sunday. I've decided that I'm just going to cover the frost sensitive trees with tarps. Just the canopies. No supplemental heat. We are not getting near cold enough to cause tissue damage (outside of potential frost on the leaves).
My reasoning is that I want to see if any of these things are going to drop fruit with a sudden 40F shock. The sapodillas and starfruit are loaded with heavy immature crops. Also have fruit on the guava and atemoya. If they do drop the fruit I'll live with that and know for the future. But if they handle it without blinking the knowledge alone will be worth it. As with all of this stuff, you can't just Google "will my potted sapodilla tree drop fruit if it is left out on a 40F night?" No one here is doing it and the few that are aren't documenting and publishing it. I also want to know if 40F is enough to trigger an anthocyanin stress response in guava that will turn the leaves purple and reduce photosynthetic efficiency for the rest of the winter. So we're gonna Leroy Jenkins it and see what happens.
My reasoning is that I want to see if any of these things are going to drop fruit with a sudden 40F shock. The sapodillas and starfruit are loaded with heavy immature crops. Also have fruit on the guava and atemoya. If they do drop the fruit I'll live with that and know for the future. But if they handle it without blinking the knowledge alone will be worth it. As with all of this stuff, you can't just Google "will my potted sapodilla tree drop fruit if it is left out on a 40F night?" No one here is doing it and the few that are aren't documenting and publishing it. I also want to know if 40F is enough to trigger an anthocyanin stress response in guava that will turn the leaves purple and reduce photosynthetic efficiency for the rest of the winter. So we're gonna Leroy Jenkins it and see what happens.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 9:18 am to Tigerlaff
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Forecast still calling for lows of 41F and 42F on Saturday and Sunday. I'
Going to be 49 here. I cant believe its going to be that damn cold here in mid November.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 9:20 am to Tigerlaff
riding with you.
I’m going to frost cloth my young trees just because I can (cherry, citrus, guava) and bring my potted bananas inside. Everything else let’s see what happens
I do have some tropical ornamentals I want to keep alive over the winter those were coming inside anyway
I still haven’t figured out how I’m going to circuit several strands of C9s when it’s time. I can’t use my well house circuit because it will trip with any other load other than the light inside the well house.
I’m going to frost cloth my young trees just because I can (cherry, citrus, guava) and bring my potted bananas inside. Everything else let’s see what happens
I do have some tropical ornamentals I want to keep alive over the winter those were coming inside anyway
I still haven’t figured out how I’m going to circuit several strands of C9s when it’s time. I can’t use my well house circuit because it will trip with any other load other than the light inside the well house.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 10:42 am to cgrand
still learning on roselle cultivation. Still no rain so they hadn’t been watered in about 6 weeks. I’d check them every day and they never looked stressed
So either this is triggered by flowering or age or drought they are really starting to break down now and by that I mean literally breaking apart off the main trunks (which are massive)
so I’m giving them a long drink today hopefully that bucks them up some. Still flowering like crazy
So either this is triggered by flowering or age or drought they are really starting to break down now and by that I mean literally breaking apart off the main trunks (which are massive)
so I’m giving them a long drink today hopefully that bucks them up some. Still flowering like crazy
Posted on 11/12/26 at 1:12 pm to cgrand
Very handy cold tolerance list from the Florida Mangos and Tropical Fruit Trees FB page. Credit goes to Thomas M. Lee, Jr. for compiling it. I highlighted the ones I have:
45° Miracle Fruit
42° Sour Sop
40° Jamaican Cherry
40° Moringa
40° Pineapple
40° Hot Peppers
40° Mango (flowers and fruit)
40° Dragon Fruit.
38° Peanut Butter Fruit
35° Ice Cream Bean
35° Monstera Deliciosa
34° Carambola
32° Achacha
32° Longan
32° Jaboticaba
32° Navel Orange
32° Hass Avocado
32° Pitangatuba
32° Persian Lime
32° Red Limes
30° Tamarind
28° Sugar Apple
28° Nelita Cherry of the Rio Grande
28° Grumichama
25° Zill Dark Surinam Cherry
20° Meyer Lemon
18° Peruvian Apple
I can confidently say that some of these are not right, however. The cherry of the Rio Grande is definitely not taking damage at 28 and sugar apple is way less cold hardy than navel orange.
45° Miracle Fruit
42° Sour Sop
40° Jamaican Cherry
40° Moringa
40° Pineapple
40° Hot Peppers
40° Mango (flowers and fruit)
40° Dragon Fruit.
38° Peanut Butter Fruit
35° Ice Cream Bean
35° Monstera Deliciosa
34° Carambola
32° Achacha
32° Longan
32° Jaboticaba
32° Navel Orange
32° Hass Avocado
32° Pitangatuba
32° Persian Lime
32° Red Limes
30° Tamarind
28° Sugar Apple
28° Nelita Cherry of the Rio Grande
28° Grumichama
25° Zill Dark Surinam Cherry
20° Meyer Lemon
18° Peruvian Apple
I can confidently say that some of these are not right, however. The cherry of the Rio Grande is definitely not taking damage at 28 and sugar apple is way less cold hardy than navel orange.
This post was edited on 11/12/26 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 11/12/26 at 3:28 pm to Tigerlaff
fantastic list.
I’m going to protect the Barbados cherry, the Rio Grande and the satsumas just because it’s easy to do so, cloth only.
Lemon will come inside along with the pineapples. And the potted bananas
I’m going to protect the Barbados cherry, the Rio Grande and the satsumas just because it’s easy to do so, cloth only.
Lemon will come inside along with the pineapples. And the potted bananas
Posted on 11/12/26 at 5:05 pm to cgrand
My forecast has changed. Lows from 35F - 37F. Welp, that's the end of my plan! Season's over boys. Sucks but greenhouses are going up tomorrow. Gonna be a LONG day. 
Posted on 11/12/26 at 6:18 pm to Tigerlaff
Hammond
Friday Night
Mostly clear, with a low around 37. Northeast wind around 5 mph.
Saturday
Areas of frost before 7am. Otherwise, sunny, with a high near 63. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph.
Saturday Night
Partly cloudy, with a low around 41. Northeast wind around 5 mph.
Friday Night
Mostly clear, with a low around 37. Northeast wind around 5 mph.
Saturday
Areas of frost before 7am. Otherwise, sunny, with a high near 63. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph.
Saturday Night
Partly cloudy, with a low around 41. Northeast wind around 5 mph.

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