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Locating lost sprinkler heads, valves, piping

Posted on 9/13/19 at 11:08 pm
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 9/13/19 at 11:08 pm
Any suggestions for locating a sprinkler system in a yard?

Can't find any heads, manually turn on system, no water anywhere. Could have water off, no idea yet. All I can tell is the main control board, a "Hunter Pro-C" is on and no errors are showing.
I've seen videos anywhere from high end multimeter looking thing that beeps loud, which is high dollar, all the way down to using two bent metal coat hangers.
Would a metal detector help find the wiring to the valves?
House is on several open acres, so no idea what was covered by the sprinklers in the past.
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 9/14/19 at 12:22 am to
Valves should be in a box which has a cover that sits ground level. You should be able to isolate zones in the electronic control box. That way, they're getting full pressure. Run it for 20 minutes, and look for wet spots in the ground. Your heads are there.

As far as plumbing goes...jusy look for the most efficient way to run pipes. That is usually the longest straight runs
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 9/14/19 at 6:22 am to
quote:

Valves should be in a box which has a cover that sits ground level.

Problem is that it's grown over. Literally no idea where it is. I've walked the entire property, no sign of any sprinkler system. The only thing you can see is the control cabinet on a basement wall, so I know it leads out to the yard from there, but that's the end of the known knowledge.
Further, as far as I can tell, there are no wet areas even after running each zone for a few minutes.
This post was edited on 9/14/19 at 6:24 am
Posted by BallsEleven
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 9/14/19 at 6:30 am to
What the above poster said. Find the valve box (if there is water flow and you are near the box, you will probably hear and feel when the valve turns on) and turn one valve on at a time. Even though your controller isn’t showing errors, make sure that the valve is actually opening. If not you can always manually turn it on. Make sure you can hear and feel flow through the valve. If it is for the lawn, look for heads/wet spots along the perimeter. That’s where most (but not all) of your heads will be.

Do you have an area that looks like it was more cared for than the rest of the field? A little greener or slightly more even? If so that’s probably your irrigated section.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62732 posts
Posted on 9/14/19 at 8:04 am to
quote:

Find the valve box

That's what I need to figure out.
quote:

Do you have an area that looks like it was more cared for than the rest of the field? A little greener or slightly more even?

No, the system hasn't been used in years
Posted by Daponch
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 9/14/19 at 8:26 am to
You need to find your backflow preventer and work downstream from there. Make sure you have water available to the system and then see if you can get the controller to function. If you have to, most irrigation supply companies rent valve finders that can be used to find irrigation valves installed in the landscape. Once you find your valves you can manually turn on valves to determine zones. If the controller won’t turn on the valves you may have a controller issue but more likely a field wiring issue.

Valve finder on Amazon LINK
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 9/14/19 at 10:43 am to
The ones I installed were always near where we tied into the main line.

And run the zones for more than a few minutes. Run them for like 20. They might be completely grown over, and whatever is on top is holding the head down. Leaving it on for that extended amount of time will hopefully let enough water out for you to find the heads
Posted by BallsEleven
Member since Mar 2019
6163 posts
Posted on 9/14/19 at 11:12 am to
Follow the wires from the controller. If the controller is on the same side of the house as where your water line runs to the house, chances are your valve box is right next to the controller.
Posted by GaDawg9977
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 9/14/19 at 8:21 pm to
Greenlee and armada make valve and wire locators. Some places rent them or you could hire an irrigation contractor who has one. You probably have a shot off valve, ball valve, or gate valve that is cutting off the flow from meter. Probably a backflow involved also. If backflow is not above ground it might be tough to find but should be in a box. If your into digging, start at the meter and just follow the mainline until you start finding valve boxes.
This post was edited on 9/14/19 at 9:10 pm
Posted by FlyinTiger93
Member since May 2010
3576 posts
Posted on 9/14/19 at 8:38 pm to
Bent irrigation flag works to find the line. Blows your mind, but it is dead on.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 9/14/19 at 9:25 pm to
Look through your controller and see if there is a chatter setting.

Only way we ever had luck finding grown over systems other than luck.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62732 posts
Posted on 9/14/19 at 11:55 pm to
It may end up being a lost cause. Today a valve box was located up near the main water line coming into the house. Looks like the water tees off into 3 sections of the property. I turned on one of the valves that had been off and quickly discovered a massive water leak about 50 feet away under the ground. Perhaps that is where a sprinkler head is, but it is directly in line with that line coming off the valve and I think that line heads to the back yard, thus it may be a main line leaking.
Posted by pennypacker3
Charleston
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 9/16/19 at 6:06 pm to
First check the back flow and make sure the water is on. Second thing I would do is check the fuse in your clock. If both are ok, you’ve probably got a cut in your multiple cable control wire or a bad short or a disconnect common at the first valve. I would rent a wire tracker at that point and find the first valve in the run and start from there and work out for that point. If the cable is cut you will get a strong signal from the tracker at the break. You may find your problem to the whole system is one of the above. Good luck and I’ll be glad to help if I can...worked golf course irrigation and some residential for years. 25 year superintendent here at your service.
ETA just saw you think you have a big leak...that would be the first fix. Good luck.
This post was edited on 9/16/19 at 6:09 pm
Posted by BallsEleven
Member since Mar 2019
6163 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 6:20 pm to
Line breaks are extremely easy and cheap to fix. Dig down, cut out the section, glue in new section and couplings.

That could be good news. Once you fix it it’ll be easier to find your heads since they have pressure.

Or you could have more breaks.

What about the other zones?

Edit: you’re taking me back to my college days of installing irrigation systems. Good times
This post was edited on 9/16/19 at 6:22 pm
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62732 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:10 pm to
The enormity (at least to me) of the situation is that the property is on 3 acres. The previous owner used to use the sprinkler, but probably quit using it about 7 years ago or so. The main water line to the house has three tees on it, that have been shut off and lead to, presumably, three separate areas of the property. The sprinkler controller is on a basement wall opposite side of the house from the said water lines and tees.
I was hoping to resurrect the system, but it may have so many leaks, malfunctioning valves and sprinkler heads now, it may not be worth it.
Posted by BallsEleven
Member since Mar 2019
6163 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 9:25 pm to
Possibly but depending on how bad you want the system working, it’s at least worth it to patch a few breaks and see what happens.

The entire 3 acres won’t be irrigated on 3 lines though. How many zones are activated on the controller?
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62732 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 9:44 pm to
8. 9 at the most, judging by looking at the wiring coming out of the control box in the basement
Posted by BallsEleven
Member since Mar 2019
6163 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:05 pm to
My house in Florida had 8 zones and it was less than a 1/4 acre.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62732 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 11:23 pm to
I didn't think 8 or 9 zones could cover that much on this 3 acres. I have no idea what amount was set up to be covered originally. The first looks at the property were just a month or so ago, while this summer we got plenty of rain, so all of the grass looked good.
I'm thinking like you, that probably only the immediate area around the house had sprinklers setup. Just not sure how come the whole yard still looks pretty good.
Posted by BallsEleven
Member since Mar 2019
6163 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 7:22 am to
Just depends on the area and land. Some people don’t need it because of the right amount of sun and water. Growing up, my parents had the thickest, fastest growing st aug you could imagine and never once watered or fertilized. It only ever browned during serious droughts. Most of the lawn was lower than the surround area that would flood a few times during the spring and summer but would quickly drain.

If you think you’ll need irrigation, it’ll be worth it to try a couple of patches to see if the system is mostly holding together. I’d be prepared to change out most if not all of the heads though. You’ll also have to trouble shoot why the valves were not opening before using the controller.
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