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Posted on 11/10/21 at 9:24 pm to
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 11/10/21 at 9:24 pm to
Ok, flipped the 200A breaker on one of the panels, the rest of house stayed on.
So each panel is fed individually.
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
47710 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 4:11 am to
Did you try to flip the other panel? Need to try both to make sure neither is feed thru.
This post was edited on 11/11/21 at 4:13 am
Posted by bee Rye
New orleans
Member since Jan 2006
34563 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 6:13 am to
What do things look like at your meter?
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
6722 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 7:28 am to
diat150, yes each are separate. The opposite side of the house stays powered when I flip one of the mains off. So they are each powered separately and no pass thru.
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
6722 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 7:37 am to
Here you go bee Rye. Nothing special out here.

Posted by Jon A thon
Member since May 2019
2523 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 8:28 am to
quote:

he opposite side of the house stays powered when I flip one of the mains off. So they are each powered separately and no pass thru.


You may be saying you did this, but it's not easy to clearly confirm through typing on a message board. You have tried turning one off and leaving one on, but doing it both ways.... i.e. panel 1 off/panel 2 on, and panel 1 on/panel 2 off?
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
6722 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 8:37 am to
Correct. Sorry for not being clear.

Scenario 1:
Panel 1 off
Panel 2 on

Everything in Panel 2 remained on in the house.

Scenario 2:
Panel 1 on
Panel 2 off

Everything in Panel 1 remained on in the house.
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
6722 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 8:41 am to
I talked with another electrician today, well we were texting.

He suggested installing 2x interlock kits, parallel the new 50A breakers connected to the interlock kits to a junction box with a single 50A plug in.

This will require me juggling some of the higher amp circuits like well pump, pool pump, etc. Waiting to see how his quote for this compares to the other quote for 2 interlocks and 2 50A plugs.
Posted by JustinTI
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2006
211 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 10:19 am to
I would install separate 50 amp inlet plugs (female twist lock style) with interlock at each panel. No parallel or directly tying together.

With that, you can get this Westinghouse 20KW generator with two 50 amp outlets. You should be able to run just about everything with that setup.

Alternatively, you could get two of the high wattage inverter generators if you're looking for something more fuel efficient and quiet - like the Duromax or Predator. They cap out with 30s amp at 240 (7200 watts). You could probably run most things with that setup - probably even the AC if you install a soft start. You could also run a breaker between the panels as redundancy in case one of the two generators craps out.
This post was edited on 11/11/21 at 10:21 am
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
6722 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 10:32 am to
Thanks for the info JustinTI. I have not seen any generators with 2x 50A before. Thanks for the link to the Westinghouse. $4000 is more than double their 13000w with a single 50A. But if I spent $4k then $2k for the plugs/interlocks. I might would just hang on to this for a long while and maybe not get a standby. I'm getting standby quotes of $14k to $18k for 24kw.
Posted by JustinTI
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2006
211 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 10:50 am to
I'd estimate that you'd be looking at $500 in materials for a 2 plug setup (2x plug receptacles, 2x interlock, 2x 50 amp breakers, wiring). The install should be really easy if getting the wires to you panel is not that hard. If you are comfortable with electric work, you could potentially do it yourself. I would think you'd save $10k at a minimum compared to a whole house standby setup. The motor on the Westinghouse is the same as what comes on the 24kw air cooled generac. Trade off is convenience.

Full disclosure, I own that Westinghouse...bought it for $3500 from home depot. I did the wiring myself and tested it out a couple weeks back. Thing is an absolute beast. Ran my whole house with a pool pump, two ACs, and an electric dryer actively running and didn't seem to break a sweat. Plan to do a tri-fuel conversion when the kits are available.
This post was edited on 11/11/21 at 11:03 am
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
6722 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 11:53 am to
JustinTI,
Thanks so much for the info. I didnt know that was the same engine as on the Generac. That's awesome info. I think I'm going to go this route.

I had no idea they had portables with this much capability. I've only been searching on Northern Tool, or LINK and never saw one this big.

Thanks a lot of the heads up on this. It's more than I want to spend, right now, but I just might forego ever getting a standby unit, if I have something this capable and I'm only spending another $2k for that capability.
Posted by Miketheseventh
Member since Dec 2017
7026 posts
Posted on 11/12/21 at 4:00 pm to
quote:

An electrician stopped by and told me that the service power feeds each of my panels

This doesn’t sound right. Do you have two meters. If not then they are tied together somewhere. A picture of your incoming service would be helpful determining what the hell he was talking about
Posted by bee Rye
New orleans
Member since Jan 2006
34563 posts
Posted on 11/13/21 at 9:53 am to
quote:

This doesn’t sound right. Do you have two meters. If not then they are tied together somewhere. A picture of your incoming service would be helpful determining what the hell he was talking about


He posted a picture that looked like just a 320 UG meter. Most likely has double lugs on the load side and is feeding to each of the panels
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 11/13/21 at 12:29 pm to
quote:

this doesnt sound right, you should have one, and only one, main service disconnect breaker to trip to kill all power coming into the house going to everything.


Not required by electrical code for a private residence. You can have up to 6 breakers or disconnect devices to remove power, commonly known as the “6 operator or 6 throw rule”. My house requires turning of 3 breakers to totally remove power. In the OPs case it should be possible to add generator transfer switch between the meter service entrance and the breaker panels.
This post was edited on 11/13/21 at 12:34 pm
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
13181 posts
Posted on 11/14/21 at 7:58 am to
quote:

I think I'm going to go this route.
quote:

Up To 11 Hour Run Time with Electric Start
quote:

Fuel Tank Capacity 17.2 gal (65 L)

You got room to park the tanker truck for the fuel you are going to need?

I'm kidding...kind of. I don't see where it is multi fuel.
Posted by DVinBR
Member since Jan 2013
15718 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 10:02 am to
install an inlet and interlock on each panel

buy a NEMA SS2-50R splitter like this to connect a single 50A generator outlet to 2 50A inlets



if the generator you have has an 14-50R outlet (dryer outlet) on it, you can buy a an adapter to convert it to SS2-50R like this


This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 10:12 am
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
6722 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 10:43 am to
DMAN1968, I know that Westinghouse is plowing thru fuel for sure. I might need a LP conversion kit installed and use my house propane. Of course more cost for adding a stub out to my line going into the house, if it is big enough to support the needed flow.
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
6722 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 10:47 am to
DVinBR,
I've never seen these splitters before. I definitely could used that if I could only find genny with 1 50A plug up.

Definitely better than swapping plugs from one panel to the other, when I need to power the well or pool pump on separate panels. Thanks for the info.
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
6722 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 10:49 am to
quote:

This doesn’t sound right. Do you have two meters. If not then they are tied together somewhere. A picture of your incoming service would be helpful determining what the hell he was talking about


Miketheseventh, I have turned off each panel individually and the other panel remains live. Then I did vice a versa and the opposite panel remained live.
So each are powered separately off of one meter.

I didn't know they did this either, until recently.
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