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re: Fridge Tripping GFCI Breaker
Posted on 6/12/24 at 2:03 pm to Lazy But Talented
Posted on 6/12/24 at 2:03 pm to Lazy But Talented
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I'm confused as most people are saying to change the breaker to a non-GFCI and that fridges shouldn't be on GFCI. Yet the code requires it?
Code requires two 20a GFII branch circuits for small kitchen appliances. The fridge can be on one of these but it is often dedicated, therefore not requiring GFI to the best of my knowledge. All breakers in kitchen must now be combo AFI(not dual function with GFI) just like living, bed, and now guest rooms.
He could replace dual function breaker with combo AFI function only, then optionally use a GFI outlet depending on desired level of protection. The most common problems seem to be with the dual function AFI+GFI breakers rather than actual arcing or ground-faulting.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 9:27 pm to Lazy But Talented
Seems like the defrost heater is pulling too much amperage or the compressor relay is going bad.
But fridges shouldn't be in gfci breakers.
But fridges shouldn't be in gfci breakers.
This post was edited on 6/12/24 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 6/12/24 at 10:13 pm to Lazy But Talented
OP, so you replaced the breaker with the exact same AFCI breaker?
If so, as said just replace that breaker with a regular breaker.
First, you need to try and attempt to see if anything else is on the breaker. It’s extremely possible something else is on the breaker. It could be outside, it could be in the kitchen, it could be anywhere.
2ndly, run an extension cord to another breaker and see if that trips. If it doesn’t trip on another afci breaker, it’s something else on the breaker not your fridge. Or a combination of the fridge and something else.
Don’t worry about code right now. Goodness these guys. Fix your issue first. Code is meant to protect buyers, there’s stuff that’s been running for 50-100 years that’s been ‘out of code’ for most of that time. Code is great, but fix your issue first and then worry about it.
If so, as said just replace that breaker with a regular breaker.
First, you need to try and attempt to see if anything else is on the breaker. It’s extremely possible something else is on the breaker. It could be outside, it could be in the kitchen, it could be anywhere.
2ndly, run an extension cord to another breaker and see if that trips. If it doesn’t trip on another afci breaker, it’s something else on the breaker not your fridge. Or a combination of the fridge and something else.
Don’t worry about code right now. Goodness these guys. Fix your issue first. Code is meant to protect buyers, there’s stuff that’s been running for 50-100 years that’s been ‘out of code’ for most of that time. Code is great, but fix your issue first and then worry about it.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 11:47 am to baldona
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Don’t worry about code right now. Goodness these guys. Fix your issue first. Code is meant to protect buyers, there’s stuff that’s been running for 50-100 years that’s been ‘out of code’ for most of that time. Code is great, but fix your issue first and then worry about it.
This. Code is for new houses.
I am not an expert but I have bought and should a few houses. I've never been asked nor heard anyone ask or been told to get their house up to code prior to selling it.
Code is constantly changing based on what some unelected bureaucrat is sold on the newest, latest and greatest gadget...
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:06 pm to bbvdd
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Code is constantly changing based on what some unelected bureaucrat is sold on the newest, latest and greatest gadget...
This is complete crap. I can’t speak for structure or plumbing, but electric code is 100% spot on. An engineer barely has to read it because everything it states is simply exactly the way things should be. Sure, there are a few trivial things like the burying depth of various conductors and conduits, and a few calculations are over-simplified for dummies, but they are overall excellent. I also haven’t looked into the new surge protection requirements yet, but I imagine they are due to technology making them practical.
OPs issue is more of a function of manufacturers and tradesmen trying to take shortcuts through the code with these DF breakers that barely work common appliances.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:16 pm to Dallaswho
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NEC 2020 includes four major updates to the existing 2017 electrical code:
GFCI protection is now required for 125–250V receptacles within 6 feet of sinks.
Surge protection is now required for lines feeding dwelling units.
Emergency disconnects are now required for all one- and two-family dwelling units.
Solar panels (California directive) are now required to have outdoor emergency disconnect.
HD 2020 changes
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An overview of the 2023 NEC code changes includes the following:
GFCI protection for appliances has been expanded to include wall-mounted ovens, counter-mounted cooking units, clothes dryers and microwave ovens. GFCI protection is also expanded to include any cord- and plug-connected appliance in kitchens, not just on countertops.
A GFCI update removes the distance limitation between kitchen receptacle outlets and the sink. All receptacles in kitchen now need GFCI.
Kitchen island countertop receptacles must be pop-ups installed in the countertop surface, not under the edge of the countertop.
AFCI protection is now required for sleeping quarters in such dwellings as police, fire and ranger stations, in addition to previous requirements for hotels, dormitories and others.
Surge protection is now required for multifamily dwelling units, dormitory units, guest rooms and guest suites of hotels and motels, as well as patient sleeping rooms in nursing homes and limited care facilities.
2023 NEC code changes
you were saying???
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:18 pm to bbvdd
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2023 NEC code changes you were saying???
His house isn’t 2023, and how many states have adopted that?
Not Louisiana
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 12:33 pm
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