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Found the magic mix rate for MSM Turf without burning St. Augustine
Posted on 9/21/26 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 9/21/26 at 2:32 pm
I've been trying for a couple years to find the magic rate that kills virginia buttonweed but doesn't stress St. Augustine grass. I've tried too little and it didn't do anything to the buttonweed. I've tried too much and it killed the St. Augustine. I've tried a little bit less and it killed the buttonweed and stressed the St. Augustine.
This time I mixed .100oz of MSM Turf granules into a full 4 gallon backpack sprayer and the buttonweed is dying two weeks later without any sign of stress to the St. Augustine grass.
Just wanted to pass it along for those struggling with it too. It's surprisingly hard to find a mix rate online.
This time I mixed .100oz of MSM Turf granules into a full 4 gallon backpack sprayer and the buttonweed is dying two weeks later without any sign of stress to the St. Augustine grass.
Just wanted to pass it along for those struggling with it too. It's surprisingly hard to find a mix rate online.
Posted on 9/21/26 at 2:47 pm to TDsngumbo
At this point, I don't care about stressing my St. Aug. It will come back. I'm tempted to purposefully use too much.
Posted on 9/21/26 at 3:20 pm to AlxTgr
I was THIS CLOSE to nuking the entire 75'x50' section with glyphosate. It keeps coming back over and over again but now that I found the mixture ratio that works for me, maybe I can finally get it under control. It's really bad this year.
Posted on 9/21/26 at 3:50 pm to TDsngumbo
Applied for the second time this summer yesterday. I used a surfactant this time. Fingers crossed. Oh, and a little 24d for good measure.
Posted on 9/21/26 at 9:06 pm to TDsngumbo
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This time I mixed .100oz of MSM Turf granules into a full 4 gallon backpack sprayer and the buttonweed is dying two weeks later without any sign of stress to the St. Augustine grass. Just wanted to pass it along for those struggling with it too. It's surprisingly hard to find a mix rate online.
You left out some important information, how many square feet of lawn are you covering with that 4 gallon mixture - 1000 sq ft, 2000 sq ft, 4000 sq ft?
The mix rate is not so important - in the case of MSM the water is only a carrier needed to apply a recommended weigh of MSM per area of lawn/pasture for the weed(s) targeted as per the label. For example, 1 oz MSM per acre = 0.02 oz MSM per 1000 sq ft for VBW (as per the label). So if you covered/sprayed 5000 sq ft of lawn with the 0.1 oz of MSM mixed in 4 gallons of water that would be about the right concentration for VBW “control” as per the label.
This post was edited on 9/21/26 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 9/21/26 at 10:59 pm to CrawDude
It’s roughly 75x50 but that’s just eyeballing it. Never measured the area. All I know is whatever concentration fell onto the buttonweed worked by mixing .1 oz of it in four gallons of water. I sprayed the area, had about a gallon left, then mixed in glyphosate to spray my ditches with the remainder after.
This post was edited on 9/21/26 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 9/21/26 at 11:54 pm to TDsngumbo
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It’s roughly 75x50 but that’s just eyeballing it. Never measured the area. All I know is whatever concentration fell onto the buttonweed worked by mixing .1 oz of it in four gallons of water. I sprayed the area, had about a gallon left, then mixed in glyphosate to spray my ditches with the remainder after.
Using your numbers and some arithmetic, you applied 0.02 oz of MSM per 1000 sq ft, or equivalent to a tad short of 1 oz per acre - that is recommended application rate on MSM Turf label for “control” of VBW. MSM Turf Label, page 13
(50 x 75 =3500 sq ft, you sprayed 3 of 4 gallons, so 0.075 oz; 0.075 oz divided by 3.5 = 0.02 oz per 1000 sq ft).
The 0.02 oz is basically equivalent to 0.5 gram or 1/8 teaspoon of MSM per 1000 sq ft of turf. Use enough water in the sprayer to cover a 1000 sq ft - for some that might be 1 gallon other others maybe 2 gallons or in between. Each sprayer is different as is one’s walking gait while spraying.
Posted on 9/22/26 at 5:41 am to TDsngumbo
Are you spraying your whole yard or just spot spraying?
Posted on 9/22/26 at 6:58 am to ole man
I spot sprayed an area about 75x50.
Posted on 9/22/26 at 7:01 am to CrawDude
I know it matters how big of an area you’re spraying with MSM, but I cannot wrap my mind around how or why that makes sense since everyone walks at a different speed. This is one reason why it’s been so hard for me to figure out how much to mix. In my smooth, Louisiana public school educated brain, the ratio should matter more than size of the area but I know that’s not the case.
Posted on 9/22/26 at 8:22 am to TDsngumbo
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I know it matters how big of an area you’re spraying with MSM, but I cannot wrap my mind around how or why that makes sense since everyone walks at a different speed. This is one reason why it’s been so hard for me to figure out how much to mix. In my smooth, Louisiana public school educated brain, the ratio should matter more than size of the area but I know that’s not the case.
It’s confusing to many as more often than not mixing-dilution rates in water is the norm for applying herbicides for residential lawns, and not delivering a certain weight of the herbicide per 1000 sq ft (or acre) as is the case for MSM Turf. In that case you need to think of water as only a carrier to help deliver the weight of the herbicide called for per 1000 sq ft. It does not matter if you apply 1 gal or 4 gal of water per 1000 sq ft as long as that water contains 0.02 oz of MSM (in the case of VBW).
So what one needs to do is to “calibrate” the sprayer they use. On your driveway mark an area of 1000 sq ft (50 x 20). Then spray area with water using your normal walking gate to figure how much water you need to cover 1000 sq ft. If only a gallon of water in the sprayer covers 500 sq ft, then you then you need 2 gallons to cover a 1000 sq ft.
In my case with my sprayers (Solo brand) and my walking gate I usually need 2 gallons of solution to cover 1000 sq ft. Others need less, others perhaps more, or in between. Articles on the web on how to calibrate your sprayer.
Couple videos on doing this.
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This post was edited on 9/22/26 at 3:40 pm

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