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Posted on 4/15/20 at 1:18 pm
Posted by NyCaLa
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2014
1015 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 1:18 pm
Moved in December. Now this

My searching tells me the most likely methods are

1. Scorched earth (glyphosphate)

2. MSMA (maybe)

I have msm turf. Is that the same as MSMA?
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 1:29 pm to
MSM is not MSMA

What Grass type do you have?
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5266 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 1:33 pm to
No they are not the same herbicide. What type of lawn grass do you have? Post a picture of what you are dealing with.
Posted by Special K
Member since Jun 2011
1101 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 2:01 pm to
Not OP but I have this in my yard. Centipede grass but it's pretty non-existent in that area after clearing out a truckload of weeds with the cocktail you recommended.





Pic 1 of grass
Pic 2 of grass

This post was edited on 4/15/20 at 2:04 pm
Posted by b-rab2
N. Louisiana
Member since Dec 2005
12576 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 2:10 pm to
If it's only a few I like to dig them up and put down a mix of sand and potting soil.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5266 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 2:22 pm to
quote:

Not OP but I have this in my yard.

Looks like crabgrass but let’s see what others think. Did you use pre-emergent herbicide? If crabgrass you can spray it with sethoxydim to kill it since you have a centipede lawn.
Have you fertilized yet? If not should probably do so to start pushing grass growth.

With the large amount of dead grass areas you seem to have perhaps you should also consider applying a pre-emergent herbicide to keep summer weeds at bay while the centipede fills in - I’m a little concerned you may see a re-emergence of weeds in those “bare” areas.

Anyway, let ronk and some other weigh in on the weed ID and their recommendations.
Posted by CenlaLowell
Alexandria, la
Member since Apr 2016
1013 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 2:36 pm to
quote:

If it's only a few I like to dig them up and put down a mix of sand and potting soil.


Won't fricking work. Now what you can do is

1) spot spray MSMA- guarantee kill
2.) Celsius+Revolver slow kill
3.) Glysophate disaster
Posted by Special K
Member since Jun 2011
1101 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 2:47 pm to
I applied the winter weed cocktail (Fertilome weed free zone, atrazine, spreader sticker) 3/13 and then spot sprayed it on 4/1.

No fertilization yet. My neighbor told me I could use his Scott's Bonus S but ronk said it was not great for centipede and I've read similar things on other sites. Haven't figured out what fertilizer but was looking at the Ferti-lome centipede lawn fertilizer.

I feel like I need to add some soil like b-rab said before adding fertilizer but I know nothing
Posted by NyCaLa
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2014
1015 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 2:53 pm to
Sorry for the slow reply. I've got St. Augustine. I'm intrigued by the MSMA solution. I've got a ton of Dallis.
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
6188 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 3:09 pm to
MSMA will kill St Aug. Celsius+Revolver+Sedgehammer is Total Tribute. It works on Dallisgrass but it too will kill St Aug. If you have a lot of spots and don't fill like dig them up I would use glyphosate concentrate because you will be able to drop a piece of sod a few days after application without having to worry about chemical damage.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5266 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 3:12 pm to
quote:

I applied the winter weed cocktail (Fertilome weed free zone, atrazine, spreader sticker) 3/13 and then spot sprayed it on 4/1.

No fertilization yet. My neighbor told me I could use his Scott's Bonus S but ronk said it was not great for centipede and I've read similar things on other sites. Haven't figured out what fertilizer but was looking at the Ferti-lome centipede lawn fertilizer.

I feel like I need to add some soil like b-rab said before adding fertilizer but I know nothing

The Fertilome 15-0-15 is a good fertilizer for centipede - apply 3 1/3 pounds per 1000 sq ft. Follow up with a second application in mid-June/July.

If indeed that is crabgrass those clumps by the street/driveway you could remove my hand or even spot spray with glyphosate (“Roundup”), any clumps mixed in with living centipede, again if crabgrass, can be sprayed with the sethoxydim to kill the crabgrass without harming the centipede.

Unless you had some winter kill of centipede, you had a significant amount of winter weeds you killed with the cocktail mix, just looking at the “bare areas”. Your goal should be to boost the growth of the centipede to fill in those areas as quickly as possible. Centipede grows slow so you need patience, but my centipede lawn is sending out new runners like crazy right now. I fertilized it about a week ago.

If you need to fill in low spots with soil/sand, you can can do that at anytime this summer it’s convenient for you - you need not do that before you fertilize the lawn. In fact the best time to fill low spots is when grass is actively growing and filling in areas.
Posted by Special K
Member since Jun 2011
1101 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 3:34 pm to
Thanks.

I had a ridiculous jungle of weeds before using the cocktail mix. I'm super happy with how that worked.

Just ordered the 15-0-15 and I'll try removing them by hand I don't have that much to get rid of.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5266 posts
Posted on 4/15/20 at 3:45 pm to
quote:

Special K

Good - and going forward plan on getting on a fall (Sep/Oct) and late winter/early spring (Feb) pre-emergent herbicide program. It’s a game changer - you won’t eliminate all weeds but you’ll be amazed with the reduction of weeds you need to control beginning next spring
Posted by Bawcephus
Member since Jul 2018
2747 posts
Posted on 4/16/20 at 1:24 am to
MSMA is the bomb. But they don't sell it anymore right?
Posted by Goldbondage
Member since Mar 2020
694 posts
Posted on 4/16/20 at 6:14 am to
quote:

Special K Not OP but I have this in my yard. Centipede grass but


Looks to me like you have dalliagrass too in your yard.

To the OP: I’ve tried every method to remove dallisgrass. Everyone is right on every method mentioned. I finally got the urge to try the “glove method” with roundup this year, and I think it’s my favorite so far. It just took way too much effort and my back was aching by the time I finished.
Posted by Auburntiger
BTR area
Member since Mar 2005
13305 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:37 am to
quote:

finally got the urge to try the “glove method” with roundup this year


What is the "glove method"?
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:40 am to
Put on a nitrile glove. Dip hand in straight Roundup. Rub/touch your hands on ONLY the dallis leaves that way you don’t kill any desirable gras.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 8:41 am
Posted by Auburntiger
BTR area
Member since Mar 2005
13305 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:44 am to
quote:

Put on a nitrile glove. Dip hand in straight Roundup. Rub/touch your hands on ONLY the dallis leaves that way you don’t kill any desirable gras.


Interesting.....is the "glove method" more effective than Dan Gill's suggested method?

quote:

2) You can spray individual dallisgrass plants with glyphosate (Killzall, Roundup, Kleenup and other brands). This will kill the St. Augustine as well, so do your best to focus the application just to the dallisgrass. This will kill individual plants. The lawn will grow back into small dead spots, but if you have to kill an area of these weeds, you should considerer removing the dead weeds and laying sod over the area. This will quickly heal the damage. An area that stays bare of grass for an extended period is an invitation to weeds.


Dan Gill method
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5266 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 12:06 pm to
quote:

Auburntiger

Either method should be equally effective - just chose the method that’s most convenient for you.
Posted by Purpleblooded
Member since Dec 2019
580 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 9:50 pm to
How do y’all measure the pounds per sq ft? You actually put it on a scale?
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