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Can you fertilize or spray for weeds more than once?
Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:25 pm
Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:25 pm
The title says it all, but can you reapply a fertilizer or spray again on centipede grass within a month if you don’t think you got good coverage or are you risking killing everything?
Posted on 4/15/19 at 8:31 pm to TigerGrad2011
Why don’t you think you got everything? What did you spray/spread?
Posted on 4/15/19 at 9:22 pm to ronk
Absolutely can re spray for weeds if needed, usually after 2 weeks or a month. In fact, that is the norm. Kick it while it’s down. Often it will tell you this on the herbicide label. Particularly older, more mature weeds may need more than a single application, They are not as sensitive to herbicides as young weeds. But when temps hit the 90s, many, but not all, herbicides can damage your lawn grass. Always thoroughly read the label on the chemical you are using.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 9:24 pm to TigerGrad2011
I could’ve typed this exact post word for word.
This post was edited on 4/15/19 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 4/15/19 at 9:52 pm to TigerGrad2011
I used a weed and feed in the front and then in the back sprayed for weeds only (would have to go in the garage and look) and then did a fertilizer 10 days later. Was doing a test to see what worked best in my yard.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:00 pm to CrawDude
No. So much bad advice. No no no. Almost everything you said is a no!!
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:02 pm to TigerGrad2011
Grass type? Fert numbers n-p-k? What herbicide?
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:09 pm to ronk
I wish I could tell you exactly on the weed and feed, but it was whatever they sell and suggested for Centipede Grass at Louisiana nursery. I can check the herbicide in the garage in the morning.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:35 pm to TigerGrad2011
Please do. Big companies push their products as safe for southern lawns but they will be 32% nitrogen and labeled for centipede and that is so off base.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:57 pm to ronk
Explain? No,no,no...so much bad advice..... At least explain to the OP why this advice is incorrect. The fact that you didn’t calls into question your knowledge of the subject. OP until this poster can explain to you and others his no,no,no most of this advice is no with appropriate science based facts you would be foolish to follow a single bit of advice he gives you on managing your lawn.
FWIW, it’s the advice I’ve been given by more than one horticultural extension professional I’ve interacted with on lawn weed issues over the years and have used, with success, in my own lawn. I am literate enough to read, interpret, and understand herbicide labels and follow instructions on herbicide labels.
Maybe I’ve misinterpreted the OP’s question?
OP if you are in Louisiana contact the LSU AgCenter horticultural extension agent in the parish you reside, by phone or email, to get the answer you are looking for.
www.lsuagcenter.com. Look for your parish on the site and then contacts.
If you reside in another state, do likewise, with the horticultural county extension agent at the Land Grant University in your state, in whatever county you reside.
FWIW, it’s the advice I’ve been given by more than one horticultural extension professional I’ve interacted with on lawn weed issues over the years and have used, with success, in my own lawn. I am literate enough to read, interpret, and understand herbicide labels and follow instructions on herbicide labels.
Maybe I’ve misinterpreted the OP’s question?
OP if you are in Louisiana contact the LSU AgCenter horticultural extension agent in the parish you reside, by phone or email, to get the answer you are looking for.
www.lsuagcenter.com. Look for your parish on the site and then contacts.
If you reside in another state, do likewise, with the horticultural county extension agent at the Land Grant University in your state, in whatever county you reside.
This post was edited on 4/16/19 at 1:23 am
Posted on 4/16/19 at 12:53 am to ronk
I don’t doubt big companies push their products. But is 32% N wrong for centipede? I think not if used in the right amount.
University based recommendation for centipede lawns in Southern states is 0.5 lbs N/1000 sq ft per application not to exceed 1 lb of N/1000 sq ft per year, and a single 0.5 lbs N application1000 sq ft is often enough.
If the lawn fertilizer was 32% N one would apply 1.56 lbs/1000 sq ft of lawn (50 divided 32 = 1.56).to achieve 0.5 lb N/1000 sq ft
I use 24-2-11 on my centipede lawn, thus to apply the recommended 0.5 lb N/1000 sq ft I apply 2.08 lbs of 24% N /1000 sq ft (50 divided by 24 = 2.08), and yes I round the amount down to 2 lbs.
Another common centipede lawn fertilizer was/is Fertilome 15-0-15 for centipede. With 15% N, one would apply 3.33 lbs of 15% N per 1000 sq ft to the lawn (50 divided by 15 = 3.33 lbs).to achieve the recommended 0.5 lb/1000 sq ft.
So 3 different lawn fertilizers with varying amounts of N, all applied in different amounts, but with each providing the recommended 0.5 lbs of N/1000 sq ft for a centipede lawn.
It is recommended that a centipede lawn fertilizer have a low or 0 amount of P, which virtually all lawn ferllizers do b/c the P easily chemically binds with iron (Fe) making iron less available to the centipede, and iron is an important micronutrient for centipede. Iron, when not bound with P also oxidizes forming acidic condition that centipede favors.
Lastly, the form of nitrogen in a centipede fertilizer should be dominated by ammonical-nitrogen and urea, with little to no nitrate nitrogen.. Ammonical nitrogen is a quick release, acid forming source of N, and urea, usually coated with sulfur is a slow release acid forming source of N. Centipede grows best in acidic soils and acidic forms of N help with this as does the elemental sulfur (also an acidic forming chemical). All this information is on the fertilizer label on the bag.
The label on the bag of fertilizer should reflect proper application rates for centipede in southern lawns and if they don’t then you are correct, they are not providing the consumer the information they need to properly fertilize centipede.
This is important b/c recommended application rates for St Aug or Bermuda are double (1 lb N/1000 sq ft) that of centipede, and a consumer should not be using fertilization rates recommended for St Aug or Bermuda on Centipede.
University based recommendation for centipede lawns in Southern states is 0.5 lbs N/1000 sq ft per application not to exceed 1 lb of N/1000 sq ft per year, and a single 0.5 lbs N application1000 sq ft is often enough.
If the lawn fertilizer was 32% N one would apply 1.56 lbs/1000 sq ft of lawn (50 divided 32 = 1.56).to achieve 0.5 lb N/1000 sq ft
I use 24-2-11 on my centipede lawn, thus to apply the recommended 0.5 lb N/1000 sq ft I apply 2.08 lbs of 24% N /1000 sq ft (50 divided by 24 = 2.08), and yes I round the amount down to 2 lbs.
Another common centipede lawn fertilizer was/is Fertilome 15-0-15 for centipede. With 15% N, one would apply 3.33 lbs of 15% N per 1000 sq ft to the lawn (50 divided by 15 = 3.33 lbs).to achieve the recommended 0.5 lb/1000 sq ft.
So 3 different lawn fertilizers with varying amounts of N, all applied in different amounts, but with each providing the recommended 0.5 lbs of N/1000 sq ft for a centipede lawn.
It is recommended that a centipede lawn fertilizer have a low or 0 amount of P, which virtually all lawn ferllizers do b/c the P easily chemically binds with iron (Fe) making iron less available to the centipede, and iron is an important micronutrient for centipede. Iron, when not bound with P also oxidizes forming acidic condition that centipede favors.
Lastly, the form of nitrogen in a centipede fertilizer should be dominated by ammonical-nitrogen and urea, with little to no nitrate nitrogen.. Ammonical nitrogen is a quick release, acid forming source of N, and urea, usually coated with sulfur is a slow release acid forming source of N. Centipede grows best in acidic soils and acidic forms of N help with this as does the elemental sulfur (also an acidic forming chemical). All this information is on the fertilizer label on the bag.
The label on the bag of fertilizer should reflect proper application rates for centipede in southern lawns and if they don’t then you are correct, they are not providing the consumer the information they need to properly fertilize centipede.
This is important b/c recommended application rates for St Aug or Bermuda are double (1 lb N/1000 sq ft) that of centipede, and a consumer should not be using fertilization rates recommended for St Aug or Bermuda on Centipede.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 8:04 am to ronk
Fertilome weed free zone is what I would be spraying in the front where I used a granule weed and feed a couple weeks ago. Can I safely apply it?
This post was edited on 4/16/19 at 8:06 am
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:02 am to CrawDude
I never suggest respraying for weeds without knowing much about the issue. To say that you can absolutely respray for weeds if needed would not be my suggestion. He might not be spraying the right chemical for the weed type. If the weed is mature then mowing it will increase the effectiveness of the herbicide. Over spraying a weed, especially a salt based herbicide, we kill the top faster than the weed can transport the herbicide to the roots. The top will die, the roots will still be alive and put up new growth. Over application of a herbicide can be detrimental to the centipede.
32% nitrogen can very easily be over applied. It doesn't leave a whole lot of room for error. The 24-2-11 and 15-0-15 you mentioned would be a lot better. I use 16-0-8 on centipede.
32% nitrogen can very easily be over applied. It doesn't leave a whole lot of room for error. The 24-2-11 and 15-0-15 you mentioned would be a lot better. I use 16-0-8 on centipede.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:06 am to TigerGrad2011
Spot treating out of a backpack should be ok. That would minimize any yellowing of the centipede. I'd really be curious what was in the weed and feed bag.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 12:22 pm to ronk
OK Ronk, I agree with your comments here. I was proviided a generalized answer to a general question in which the OP didn’t provide much in the way in details. He since has. And of course the weeds should ID’d, what and how much he used prior to considering a second application of herbicide must be considered, etc.
I agree with your comments on the 32% N - the higher the %N the lower amount of fertilizer will be applied to achieve the 0.5 bs N/1000 sq ft for centipede and for the inexperienced I can see where they might tend to over apply. Less chance of overapplying when using a lower N fertilizer for Centipede.
I happen to be at my fathers house out of town I just noticed a bag of Scott’s weed and feed. I read the label and you are right - they recommend the same rate of application for centipede as St Aug, (1 lb N/1000 sq ft) and this is wrong. If my father used this on centipede (he has St Aug) the rate would be double the 0.5 lb N/1000 sq ft that is recommended by turf and lawn extension specialist through the South.
Anyway I hope we’re good, and I apologize if I was a little harsh in response to your initial comment.
I agree with your comments on the 32% N - the higher the %N the lower amount of fertilizer will be applied to achieve the 0.5 bs N/1000 sq ft for centipede and for the inexperienced I can see where they might tend to over apply. Less chance of overapplying when using a lower N fertilizer for Centipede.
I happen to be at my fathers house out of town I just noticed a bag of Scott’s weed and feed. I read the label and you are right - they recommend the same rate of application for centipede as St Aug, (1 lb N/1000 sq ft) and this is wrong. If my father used this on centipede (he has St Aug) the rate would be double the 0.5 lb N/1000 sq ft that is recommended by turf and lawn extension specialist through the South.
Anyway I hope we’re good, and I apologize if I was a little harsh in response to your initial comment.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 2:05 pm to CrawDude
We’re good. I came off a bit harsh in my response. I’m passionate about lawns!! I compete with all my neighbors for yard of the month. They don’t know they are in a competition but we are!
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