Velocity Based Training: What's the word?

Basically only way I know is to get a tendo. I think Power Athlete has clamps that can measure velocity and throw it to your phone via an app...I don't know the reliability of it though.

Then you get in the whole argument of what good is it if you have to slow velocity to catch the bar or stop the bar. Then you can say throwing and jumping out weight bar speed training due to the lack of having to slow down to control the ball or jump.

while i 100 believe in velocity on concentric only training, at our age we need to start considering what puts the most wear and tear on the body. That shite is all fine and dandy at a young age of for athletes, but eventually they start running into issues also.

I have had a complete chnage of heart on this subject the last few years especially the last year. I look around and see guys doing this type and crossfit type and I see them injeured frequently and I ask myself what are they doing different then myself. Well lately I have been using very slow and controlled reps. I do explode on the concentric portion, but I don't bounce, twist etc. just slow and controlled.

Then I look around and I see all these powerlifters and olympic lifters broken as early as their 50s, not all but most. By 60 almost all are. And I frequently see bodybuilder types lasting into their 70s even 80s without problems. This is all do to the type of training they do, slow and controlled.

Daunte trudal of doggcrapp talks about this quite a bit. Its all about pushing strength but at the same time doing so very slow and controlled and also as we get older need to reconsider what strong is. Its not strong only in the very low rep ranges but also being strong in the higher rep ranges and mainly focusing on these higher rep ranges as we get older.

I dunno kind of a tangent, but just wanted to put that out there.

The old powerlifting ways were def reckless and almost irresponsible for that one goal of having the best lift or total. I think they're training smarter now.

But velocity base training is all based concentric speed. trying to move that bar as fast as possible of your chest, off the ground, or out the squat. They're not bouncing or shouldn't be which would cause a slower bar speed.

For athletics, it's very very good way to train and if the speed isn't where it needs to be, the weight is lightened.

Look up Dr Fred Hatfield, he hit a 1000lbs squat based solely off of velocity training and didn't touch that weight in a walk out or % based training. His thought was if he can move a weight at a certain speed, he should be able to move a heavier weight at a speed in which he could complete the lift. Pretty cool stuff.

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The old powerlifting ways were def reckless and almost irresponsible for that one goal of having the best lift or total. I think they're training smarter now.

But velocity base training is all based concentric speed. trying to move that bar as fast as possible of your chest, off the ground, or out the squat. They're not bouncing or shouldn't be which would cause a slower bar speed.

For athletics, it's very very good way to train and if the speed isn't where it needs to be, the weight is lightened.

Look up Dr Fred Hatfield, he hit a 1000lbs squat based solely off of velocity training and didn't touch that weight in a walk out or % based training. His thought was if he can move a weight at a certain speed, he should be able to move a heavier weight at a speed in which he could complete the lift. Pretty cool stuff.

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No i am familiar with it but alot of it involves higher impact speed lifts to get the bar speed moving or explosion and releasing the barbell at the end. I do some of this on my hurricane sometimes and love it but I can completely release the handles and the machine will take the impact. the style is fine if you are doing somehting like that with bumpers but if you are catching the bar again then it can have a lot of wear and tear. and yea I kind of went on a tangent in that post.

But I completely agree about bar speed and using it as the reference for the weight and not % based. And if that is all we are talking about with the velocity based training then its a great system. Its honestly what wendler is moving to with people he trains and away from %. He still puts the % out there though for those that train alone and cant get a good reading on bar speed.

the creator of outlaw crossfit, rudy, talks about this concept in his conjugate based system. He talks about how they don't deadlift much and use speed pulls off the floor on the olympic lifts to improve deadlifts due to lifting with increased bar speed off the floor. defiantly works and westside uses a lot of this type of training on their speed days.