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Posted on 7/19/17 at 6:27 pm to
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/19/17 at 6:27 pm to
quote:

Wanna gain weight,

Marry a Hispanic/Latina or Italian lady and your mom in law will cook way more than enough food


This dude speaks Bible
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
69986 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 7:31 pm to
Unfortunately it's too much food
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37949 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 7:46 pm to
Ha I married an Italian, her mother is a horrible cook and the wife literally can not boil eggs or even cook mac and cheese.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22542 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:01 pm to
Man.... You a brave sunna bitch posting that. Ha
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22542 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:04 pm to
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gaining mass is doggcrapp training which is extremely low volume but extreme high intensity


Oh so it's HIT now, eh? Lol

Actually, DC training has a ton of time under tension and that is what volume training does also.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:29 pm to
I knew I would catch shite from you on that one and yea slow eccentric training is important for mass, more Than overall volume Imo. But imo the main reason D.C. Training is so effective is the progressive overload principles I.e beating the log book
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:39 pm to
The main ingredient is time under tension and muscle recruitment. Volume is one way of doing that or slower eccentric or extreme stretch holds. Most people can't handle the other two so volume is often prescribed.

I do not believe strength has a direct correlation to size. Look at Johnnie Candito and Max Aita.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:24 pm to
your right strength doesn't, gains in strength do. Daunte himself has said that. The time under tension on D.C. Training is really only about the eccentric portion,daunte has talked about that too.

daunte himself is the one that said gains in strength=gains in muscle and went on to explain why progressive overload is so important.

Volume training is about the pump and scaroplasma hypertrophy. It's temporary growth in general. It has its place and should be used in meso cycles after a couple miofibbilar hypertrophy based cycles, I.e. Strength gain phase.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22542 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:41 pm to
My personal opinion is that strength leads to increased weight used during higher volume work. So yes, you need strength to increase the amount of work done but the vehicle for hypertrophy leads to time under tension.

Progressive overload is correlation not a causation to growth. You can be strong but not big. You need to get stronger to be able to do more volume. Strength also does not cause one to be good at power. You can be strong all you want but you ain't getting a 315lb snatch without technique and strength.

So basically what I am saying is that strength routines are not good for mass. That is why 531 does BBB because you are doing a group twice a week and doing more than 65 reps some weeks.

Volume work is also good for power because it gives time for practice of the movement and builds capacity.

I'm terrible at connecting my thoughts on mobile. If I sound all over the place, forgive me.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37949 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:50 pm to
No I get what your saying and agree except I believe that strength gains is the growth catalyst so long as diet is good. I say that as I have seen people look exactly the same year after year while banging away with high volume pump training with hardly any growth in strength.

I believe daunte said if you are on a desserted island and I gave you 135 lbs in weights, you can blast away with rest pause, drop sets super sets or any other intensity technique, but you are not going to continue to grow I.e the gym rat who looks the same yeR after year and always practicing "muscle confusion". Now take the same guy on the island and give him an unlimited supply of weights and he can do the same techniques as before but constantly adding weight to the bar, well....I'll show you a big arse Gillian after a year or two.


Now I do agree volume training helps effeciency and engrains the movement pattern helping to recruit more muscle fibers during top sets. Also agree frequency is very important.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126745 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:51 pm to
quote:

Ha I married an Italian, her mother is a horrible cook and the wife literally can not boil eggs or even cook mac and cheese.




Then shes not legit Italian

Meet families from NJ or NY and they can throw down in the kitchen
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22542 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:04 pm to
That's exactly my point. I may have been misunderstood when I said volume in my first post. GVT is a volume program with strength progression built in. Volume alone can not lead to hypertrophy. The adaptation to become efficient at the movement is what leads to growth. Let's say someone with that same 135 lb barbell is only able to do 2 reps but increases that amount to 50. Do you not think he got stronger and bigger? After a certain point, there are diminishing returns and the muscle is now efficient. Next, the stimulus must increase so that the muscle are not efficient again. That person could walk around with that barbell on their back the entire day. They will get bigger legs because they had to carry more weight than normal. That's why fat people have big calves but they don't get any bigger at some point. They must get fatter to get big calves.

I ain't proofing all that so if I'm unclear, let me know.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37949 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:13 pm to
100% clear and I 100% agree. I consider strength progression to be any of the following
Using more weight
More reps at the same weight
Same reps but much more time under tension
Same reps but in much shorter time frame or more reps in same time frame I.e escalated density training

But we are 100% in a agreement.

I assume you believe like myself certain rep ranges are more condusive to growth for certain body parts. I.e high rep squats
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22542 posts
Posted on 7/20/17 at 7:17 am to
Absolutely.
1-4 power
5-8 strength
10+ hypertrophy

With some body parts that need more frequency and volume such as upper body and calves.
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