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Posted on 3/13/18 at 8:26 pm to
Posted by arktiger28
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Posted on 3/13/18 at 8:26 pm to
So on day one I would do presses and day two that is where I put squats and dead lifts?
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 3/13/18 at 8:45 pm to
On the last split I posted?

Would be or a variant of the following

Upper-
Chest-Bench
Shoulders-Press
Back width- Weighted chins
Back thickness- Deads or row
Triceps-close grip bench or weighted dips

Lower body-
Quads-squats
Pos. Chain- glute ham raise or Romanian deadlifts if you chose rows or variants for back width-
Calfs- calf raises
Biceps- barbell curl
Posted by arktiger28
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Posted on 3/13/18 at 8:46 pm to
quote:

In the mean time see about buying a cheap set of wooden gymnastics rings.


I have a bar 8 feet high that goes across my powerrack for chin-ups. Could I attach the rings to that?
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:08 pm to
Yea but a better option is buy a 2x6x8 and use lag bolts and run it across the joist in the garage and use eye hook bolts into the 2x6. Will give you more room.

But absolutely it can be used on the power cage. Opens up an arse ton of exercises especially if you buy a weighted vest later on. The rings are the best training tool outside of barbells, maybe even better than barbells Imo. Just take a look at the development of gymnasts
Posted by arktiger28
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Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:23 pm to
So what would the days of body skill work and strongman look like? Sorry to hound you with questions. This thread has been a game changer for me and your advice has been invaluable.

Also, is there any way I can get access to your google drive stuff again. I sent a request.
This post was edited on 3/13/18 at 9:34 pm
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:52 pm to
Yes absolutely what screen name so I can approve?
Posted by arktiger28
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Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:55 pm to
Email address? Look for one from a church.
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:59 pm to
It's approved now.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 3/13/18 at 10:27 pm to
So the inclusion of the bodyweight and strongman days are because I believe they build better real life strength and have very practical uses in the real world. Think moving your self freely through space and controlling your body through space, essentially athletisism. For strongman, not man objects you pick up on a daily basis are perfectly balanced like a barbell. Instead they are odd shaped, the weight shifts etc. Strongman prepares you for this.

So for bodyweight skill training( you would move to this once you can complete the pushup and chinup villain challenge. Until then just practice these moves). In no particular order, you would choose 1-2 push exercises, 1-2 pulls, handstands, an l-sit, front lever, back lever and a rope climb. Working the progressions. Progressions would be listed in overcoming gravity and building the gymnastics body in the gymnastics folder on my drive. Just request access to this

1) ring pushup
2) Archer ring pushups
3) dips
4) ring flyes
5) ring turnout holds
6) plaunche progressions
7) chins
8) ring rows
9) pullups
10) Archer chins/pullups
11) muscle up progressions
12) handstand
13) ring handstand
14) ring rollout(think about wheel)
15) l sit
16) back lever
17) front lever
18) skin the cat
19) Y shoulder raises
20) pistol squats
21) climbing rope pulls,,(million variations, just row on the dang thing until you can climb it, then get better at climbing it, start working the negative portion, climbing for speed etc) for the record the climbing rope is very hard, much harder than you remember
22) peg boards
23) any odd object climbing(think American Ninja warrior stuff)

I know some of this you don't have, just collect slowly when capable.

Again this is just a sample. Another good book to follow is the iron cross method book in my gymnastics folder. Combine 2 of the days since it's a three day program and run it as days 1/3 as "A" and days 5/8 as "B"

You will have to play around with it. Key is balance working all the areas of the body.the other key is making sure you stretch like crazy. Also on weeks you feel great you can add a second bw skill day the day after strongman.


For strongman it's pretty simple

Get a heavy bag, could just be an old army duffel bag filled with sand or could be sandbags from places like rogue and

Pick it up and put it down
Clean it
Push it over head
Carry it
Throw it
Row it
Curl it
Bench it carry it overhead for walks
Bear hug
Drag it etc
Squat it
Lunge it
Deadlift it

What ever you can think of, essentially just pick it up. Heavy sandbags should make up the majority of your strongman training.

Others could include
Farmers walk handles
Overhead barbell carries
Sled drags
Sled pulls with the climbing rope attached to it

Kegs- ask around for a damage one, Google how to make a strong man keg and do that. Now throw it, carry it, etc just like you do the sandbags

Slosh pipe- essentially a 12-15 foot section of 3" pvc filled half up with water so when you lift it, the water causes it to be unbalanced by sloshing around.

Tire flips
Sledge hammer on the tire

List goes on and on. Essentially the strong man stuff is to have fun. Just pick 3-4 things you like and 1-2 that you hate and do that for 8-12 weeks. Then switch it up. Progressing is pretty simple, you do more work in a certain amount of time, you add weight or you add reps/distance.

By all means this is not an all inclusive list. I suggest reading dinosaur training by brooks Kublik. It's on my drive. He goes over a lot if this.

Main thing is have some fun. Set some rep ors on your lifts since you aren't looking to continue to pack in the pounds to the bar anymore and set some challenges for yourself and give them hell.

Remember it's more about the work you do than when you do it so don't stress too much about if you are picking the right body weight stuff or strongman stuff, just enjoy it

Posted by numptythrubbers
Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:51 am to
Bloody hell you know your stuff lsu777! Wealth of info there.

Here's a question bouncing off your bodyweight training advice.

If someone wanted to train strictly with calisthenics, how would you change the programming? Would you just sub bodyweight work in for the main lifts but at a much higher volume?
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 3/14/18 at 8:25 am to
You could do that but in general it would depend on the person's goals.

The techniques presented in the greyskull methods like the frequency method, total work method (i.e. grease the groove), and ladders certainly have a place in a calisthenics program but goals are going to determine the progressions and the types of exercises used.

Also I never recommend bodyweight only training without ring training and some type of heavy sandbag strongman training. I do not feel calisthenics alone can develop the total strength I feel is needed in everyday life when lifting odd objects is the norm.

But a routine based on

Bodyweight and ring training
Sandbag work
And sprints can form a base for an amazing program


Honestly I suggest you start a new thread about calisthenics and we discuss techniques, progressions, and training in there.
Posted by numptythrubbers
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Posted on 3/14/18 at 8:58 am to
Hey I posted here:

LINK
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 3/14/18 at 9:14 am to
I'm relocating in a few weeks and looking forward to starting this as I've been doing frickarounditis for so long. Always preferred to workout with my partner.

I do a poor job of tracking my lifts. How does everyone track theirs? Pen and paper? An app?
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 1:11 am to
Just read through everything again and excited to get started.

Going to get my maxes over the next 2 weeks for the 4 lifts. And start the program April 2nd. I've maybe deadlifted twice since I switched gyms back in July so that should be fun.

I really need to improve my chinups. At 225 I can only bang out a few sets of 5-6 which is pretty embarrassing. Ideally want to be around 210 as well...shedding some fat will help with increasing chin up numbers.
This post was edited on 3/15/18 at 1:13 am
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:08 pm to
I use a workout log book off of Amazon I got. But I have some spreadsheets in the folder you can use too.

And yea dropping the weight will improve chins quickly. But 5-6 is not a bad starting point at all.
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 1:22 pm to
This is after about 2+ years of consistent working out.

Bro-splits/frickarounditis but nonetheless.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 1:45 pm to
haha yea you should be knocking out 10+ dead hang.
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
14440 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 2:04 pm to
I kind of avoided them for the most part since I am embarrassed.

But as of late I've been getting after them.
This post was edited on 3/15/18 at 2:10 pm
Posted by scarv11
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 7:24 pm to
First off, this is such a great thread, thank you for this so much. Second, I need your advice lsu777. My primary goal is to lose fat/aesthetics and I've run into some problems of losing fat (yes I know nutrition is #1, which I need to fix tbh), hitting secondary muscles and overtraining.

I started exercising 6 years ago with Insanity(lost fat, gained muscle and a weird enjoyment of high intensity cardio), lifting random internet routines with no knowledge of LP, reddit's recommended routine and hopped a lot basically. Lost weight from 240 to 175, then moved back home and back at 240lbs. I'm 5'10, 24 y/o looking better than before with more muscle but still no abs and moobs.

I have been following GSLP for about a month and a half and got my lifts up: bench 165, press 100, squat 185, hex bar deadlift 200. Then I switched to Metallicadpa's PPL because I wanted to hit lat delts and biceps more. After that first leg workout, I got wrecked because the next day, my torso was leaning to the right like scoliosis or something but after a day the lower back tightness and the leaning went away. It may be because of lack of stretching or the back squats + sldl + bridges, idk.

I was scared to lift for the rest of the last week and started this week again with GSLP and added in negative chins w/ press and some 2x 8-12 lat raises SS with 2x8-12 band facepulls, but it feels like my lat/lower back shoulder got messed up because I didn't have the energy to squat afterwards or maybe the leaning thing was coming back. It may have been too much volume still. If you have any input please let me know, I might go to a doctor to check this out.

Can you help me create a routine for fat loss/aesthetics and answer a few questions:

1. Should I ditch the accessory movements, including back exercises during lifting sessions and stick to the core four movements?

2. Should I do 3x a week or 4x a week lifting sessions? My lower body is naturally bulky and I'm trying to stop that.

3. Regarding a previous reply you gave to someone, if I only do the core movements during lifting sessions and VC#1, when should I implement the next fat loss layers you have mentioned? Like after week 2 add 360 challenge, and week 4 FM pushups/chins? (I felt weird not hitting my back during my first month of GSLP - I didn't do the FM because I saw it was for hypertrophy and seemed counter intuitive to fat loss)

4. How can I add in calisthenics strength/skill work as well? I really want to be able to do planches, handstands, levers, muscle ups, l-sits, and still enjoy lifting upper and lower body movements.

5. Should I just go back to a pure bodyweight training (plus rings and sandbag and sprints) until a certain point to go back to weights?

Thank you again for this amazing thread.
This post was edited on 3/15/18 at 7:35 pm
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 8:32 pm to
Ok wow, a lot of things going on here gonna take me a long time to type this out and frankly I had Abad day and will just be a dick so I'm gonna wait until tomorrow to answer this so bear with me.
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