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Marathon or strength training? Pick one but not two?

Posted on 5/14/20 at 8:57 pm
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 5/14/20 at 8:57 pm
Or is that bullshite?

The overwhelming majority of training sites (running or lifting) will recommend that you select one point of focus over the other. The claim is that if you try to do both, they’ll eat into the other’s ability to progress thus inhibiting you from ever getting good at either. You can’t - for example - maintain or build a powerful deadlift at the same time as running the miles needed for a marathon.

I’ve always subscribed to this thought and when I lifted six years ago, I didn’t run. When I a ran a marathon 18 months ago, I didn’t lift. As I got back into lifting, I dropped my miles. As I got serious about lifting programs and building a lot of strength, I cut back on running almost all together.

Over the past 6 months though (and especially this week), I’ve started questioning this mindset.

This post on the Fitness subreddit details significant displays of both strength and running from a rather famous poster there. He goes by nSuns and has a program named after him that has gotten popular. In the post, he discusses how he has a 6 plate deadlift (with video) and a ~16 minute 5K. He’s ready for a marathon that got delayed by corona, and he still looks jacked without being overly bulky like you’d expect from a 6 plate deadlifter nor skinny like you’d expect from a marathoner.

Even looking at a non-runner like the Rock, there are elements of concurrent training. Many sources say that the Rock starts his workouts with 30-50 minutes on the treadmill. Even at a modest pace with the minimum time, you’re look at ~20 miles of running per week along with what’s regarded as some of the heaviest, high volume lifting out there.

I watched a video of a guy named Joe Weller who transformed his body. He’s kind of a douche and I don’t recommend him BUT he talked about what worked for him was 30-60 minutes of cardio a day along with lifting 3-4 days a week. Again, that’s between 21ish and 36ish miles a week if we’re thinking in terms of long distance running.

We even had a resident poster here (can’t remember his name) who ran an ultra marathon and deadlifted 500 pounds in the same week.

All this is to say: it is certainly possible to push your body to both accomplish serious strength gains in the gym and challenging aerobic feats such as marathon running.

So what does it take?

I’m not going to say you can do both at a high level. A 592 pound deadlift isn’t feasible for many joes and a 16 minute 5K isn’t either. But getting stronger - like really strong for your body - and running far is doable for anyone and can be developed at the same time!

It takes the following:

1) Sleep and rest - as always, getting enough recovery is most important and you’ll get no where without it

2) Eat! - nSuns says he eats around 4000 calories a day. He’s 6’3 195 pounds. I’m sure you’ve all seen the Rock’s ridiculous dietary needs. You can’t bulk and cut on this kind of journey. You have to eat and use the fuel to push yourself to accomplish multiple forms of athletic events.

3) Mental Prep - you just completed an hour session focused on heavy bench press. Your chest and arms are tired. Your body is fatigued from anaerobic exercise. But your legs are not tired. Your aerobic capacity is not spent. Finding the motivation to move from the gym to the roads is tough but once you get there, you’ll realize that you aren’t as tired as you thought.

Anyways, I’m mostly writing this out for myself as I’ve entered month 2 of the Boring But Big 90 day challenge. I’m also getting back into long distance running at the same time. We’ll see if I can build my modest maxes to respectable while building up to 40 miles a week.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:04 pm to
Heaving lifting is good for runners, but you can’t expect to become a hulk if you are running 40 miles a week or more. I do both but try to periodize where I go higher volume and hypertrophy during my running “off season” when my mileage is low and transition to strength and power focus during my early and late training cycles.
This post was edited on 5/15/20 at 10:52 am
Posted by marchballer
The Greatest Country on Earth
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:14 pm to
Before I switched jobs last year, I was able to run a half marathon and bench over 225. My squats suffered. Max was around 300.

I did this using Wendler 5/3/1 and running consistently. It’ll take longer but you can definitely make progress in both areas. But you won’t be elite in neither but I think that’s okay.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
20883 posts
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:30 pm to
I definitely agree it will slow progress. But I’m thinking the progress can be big on both sides.

It all comes down to eating and sleeping. And lack of stress. And time of course.

I imagine most people can’t devote at least 90 minutes a day to exercise and most don’t want to eat 4000 calories of healthy food a day.
Posted by The Implication
south philly
Member since Sep 2019
527 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 7:13 am to
Cameron Hanes is most likely the person that dedicates the most time to this. Dude runs nearly or at a marathon a day and strength trains in between. All for the sake of hunting elk.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
20883 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 7:49 am to
Holy shite. I love that guy and just followed him on Instagram.

Posted by marchballer
The Greatest Country on Earth
Member since Aug 2008
4121 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 8:08 am to
I’ve been following Nick Barre for similar reasons. He has a YouTube video a few days ago about balancing weights and running
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86176 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 9:13 am to
You can obviously do both and be good at both, but I think the point of picking one is if you are trying to maximize your potential in one of the other

Posted by SulphursFinest
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2015
11696 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 12:58 pm to
Nick Bare is awesome. Has to be in test though, right?
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