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re: Lengthened partials

Posted on 3/28/25 at 8:11 pm to
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 8:11 pm to
I wouldn’t do both, asking for extreme soreness
Posted by geux2019
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:48 pm to
I will stick to the stretch then. So last set of an exercise go to absolute failure, then stretch? Or is failure not recommended prior to the stretch?
Posted by NewOrleansBlend
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Posted on 3/29/25 at 8:27 am to
The main study that showed benefit was in untrained women doing leg extensions. I’m guessing that population isn’t well represented here.

Milo Wolf seems to be following Dr Mike and is more concerned about building a brand than science. I don’t trust him. His study in trained individuals showed no difference. This is despite the fact that he was likely biased towards LPs (to build a brand) and would have had strong motivation to bias the study to favor LPs.

IMO if a study shows no difference, the issue may be that the study wasn’t powered to show a difference (training studies are usually underpowered). Until proven otherwise, stick with the gold standard of full ROM IMO
This post was edited on 3/29/25 at 8:31 am
Posted by geux2019
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Posted on 3/29/25 at 10:20 am to
I agree about sticking to full ROM. But I do see a benefit do doing extra lengthened partials after you can't complete any more full rom. Especially one movements where the main muscle you are targeting is most active in the lengthened position, yet lockout is where its hardest. Things like side laterals, rows, chins, bench for example. If you could do 4 more half sets of bench at the bottom, since your triceps are tired it seems like you are leaving gains on chest if you don't finish with partials. What do you think on that? I haven't seen any studies talking about this.
Posted by NewOrleansBlend
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Posted on 3/29/25 at 11:32 am to
The problem I see with that plan is you are now beyond failure when consensus now is the optimal stimulus to fatigue ratio for intensity is around 1-2 RIR
Posted by geux2019
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Posted on 3/29/25 at 11:56 am to
This is news to me. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. If staying 1-2 RIR what is the consensus for volume per week per muscle?
Posted by NewOrleansBlend
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Posted on 3/29/25 at 12:56 pm to
I would say it varies widely based on a lot of factors and is controversial. You can grow on 1 set 3x/week with progressive overload but more is better, though you hit a point of diminishing returns pretty quickly due to fatigue and time constraints. You need to be able to recover from the volume. If you’re trying to train every body part equally probably 6-15 sets per week per muscle is a reasonable target. Exercise selection makes a big difference too, with heavy compound lifts causing more fatigue, making less total sets more optimal, whereas you can do more volume on isolation exercises and those that use shortened muscle lengths. If you wanted to target a body part (women with glutes, men with arms/shoulders), you can do more for that muscle but would want a lot of that volume to be isolation exercises
This post was edited on 3/29/25 at 12:58 pm
Posted by geux2019
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Posted on 3/29/25 at 1:39 pm to
Thank you. This was very helpful.
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 3/29/25 at 3:18 pm to
Yes
Posted by geux2019
Member since Mar 2025
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Posted on 3/29/25 at 7:58 pm to
I will give them a tryout Mon. Thank you.
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