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re: The Greyskull Methods- A Primer

Posted by geux2019 on 6/4/26 at 11:39 am to
Also, What would you guys say are your favorite/best rotations for the main lifts. I know JP lists some in the book but in this thread I have seen some new ones that arent listed like the rack chinups and z press so I would love to hear yours.

re: The Greyskull Methods- A Primer

Posted by geux2019 on 6/3/26 at 12:13 pm to
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I did personally notice especially with the squats that I felt less fatigued on the Powerbuilding style programming than the LP after I immediately went back to it. It may just be me but 2 2-4 rep sets at 350 doesn’t fatigue me nearly as bad as a 275 5,5,18. I’m only 5’10 and I’ve got long arms so the deadlift has always been pretty friendly to me in terms of fatigue vs some other people that I’ve trained with



i agree with you here. an 18 set of squats will drain me a lot more than 2 sets of 2-4 lol. So that is a good point, I was doing the no feeder set squats at the end and running them down to 3s so that may have been why this looks like more volume to me.

re: The Greyskull Methods- A Primer

Posted by geux2019 on 6/2/26 at 5:00 pm to
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depends, are you doing the straight set version or rest pause?

if you are simply going for 100% strength and hypertrophy using the straight sets then

Big compound lifts(squats, bench, deads etc)- 3-5 min
mid compound lifts(chins)- 2-3min
bicep curls- 60-90seconds

if you are doing rest pause, follow the RP protocol he lays out


So I am doing a mix of both, some exercises straight sets, others rest pause. But this was really inciteful and I am going to write this down to save for when I start implemenet other exercises in the traditional 2 set fashion.

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ok but you understand that template is meant to be run as a 3 day a week template. so its 2 hinges in a week, but only every other week. and its a variation. so 1 might be sumo deads and the next pin pulls. you arent going to have sumo and conventional as you variations. This is JPs play on Dantes original 3 day DC split.



yes. That part I got, thank you for confirming it for me. I just got confused since prior I was maybe only deadlifting 1x every 3 weeks and pin pulling 1x every 3 weeks on the LP. So seeing potentially doing them both in the same week for 2 sets each. I was wondering if I was reading it wrong. especially since upper body volume dropped a bit with some weeks only pressing 1x a week (but with more sets)

Surely it will be fine and not to much volume, but I wanted to double check with you before going ahead with it incase I was reading it wrong.

re: The Greyskull Methods- A Primer

Posted by geux2019 on 6/2/26 at 4:56 pm to
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I wouldn’t worry about it if I was squatting hard twice a week but 777 may tell you differently. JP has said in the past that as the deadlift goes higher sometimes it’s cut down to every other week. I never got that to that point really though I was only in the low 400s for my working sets so it may be totally different if youre moving significantly more weight.



Im in the 500s for my working weight so not much higher, but that was also my understanding from reading the LP. As it gets higher and higher the less we will deadlift, that is why I got confused seeing it possible being down 2x a week.

re: The Greyskull Methods- A Primer

Posted by geux2019 on 6/1/26 at 7:44 pm to
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When I ran it I always used B1 as either a sumo or conventional deadlift and then B2 as a row or rack pull so I was only doing an actual deadlift once every 10 days or so. I only rotated the lifts when progress stalled on the B1 and B2 variants I was using so I’d pair a deadlift and a row and a deadlift and a rack pull to avoid having to deadlift more times like youre saying. What deadlift variants were you using pre LCI? Conventional sumo and deficit?


I was thinking about doing it that way. With b1 being a dead variant then B2 being some sort of Row. I just was a bit worried about having some weeks where I don't hit hamstrings at all.

On my last cycle of the LP. I was doing conventional, deficit, and rack pulls

re: The Greyskull Methods- A Primer

Posted by geux2019 on 6/1/26 at 7:40 pm to




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rest 5 min, drop the weight and try to get 6-8 reps



which template are you doing in powerbuilding?


Thank you. Is that 5 min rest for all of the lifts that are done in the 2 set fashion like chinups or even bicep curls(as opposed to doing them rest pause) Or should those be done for shorter pauses?

I am doing the half body A1 B1 A2 B2 setup. So its chest/shoulders/triceps/squats one day, then Back width/thickness/ bis the other day. but theres a heavy hinge on both B days and a squat on both A days. I just found it weird since JP said in GSLP that deads more than 1x a week was a no go, but now that we are a lot stronger and using more weight we are doing up to 4 sets of deadlifts in 1 week.

re: The Greyskull Methods- A Primer

Posted by geux2019 on 6/1/26 at 2:42 pm to
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I think that the hinge in Powerbuilding is rotated between a few lifts not just types of deadlifts? I usually alternated a deadlift variation with a Yates row or a rack pull if I remember right



Its an A B setup so on A day you do a squat and then on B day you do a hinge. You alternate them(in the book he says to alternate 2 of them). So it may be squat then deadlift then front squat then rack pulls(you could pick a row if you want instead).

I just found it strange since prior to moving onto LCI I was rotating 3 squat variants and 3 deadlift variants. So I was only deadlifting once every 3 weeks, but now I am a lot stronger and I would have assumed I should be deadlifting even less, but now I may be doing deadlifts on monday and rack pulls on friday for 2 sets of each. So I wanted to confirm with the experts here before actually running this that I am not just reading this wrong.

re: The Greyskull Methods- A Primer

Posted by geux2019 on 6/1/26 at 2:35 pm to
Thank you LSU. What is the proper protocol for doing the backdown set on deadlifts. Say its 500lbs by 4-6 and I get 5 on the first.
Do I rest 5 minutes and try and get 4.
Or do I rest only a couple minutes and drop the weight?

And yes its an A1 B1 A2 B2 setup but theres a heavy hinge on both B days and a squat on both A days. I just found it weird since JP said in GSLP that deads more than 1x a week was a no go, but now that we are a lot stronger and using more weight we are doing up to 4 sets of deadlifts in 1 week.

re: The Greyskull Methods- A Primer

Posted by geux2019 on 6/1/26 at 11:33 am to
Hi Lsu,

I just started doing the powerbuilding method and was wondering if you knew why in powerbuilding JP now has us doing Hinge motions twice a week instead of the usual 1x a week like in the LP or in LCI?

For instance week one may be squat by 20, then deadlift 2 x 6-8, then Squat by 10-12, then week 2 could be sumo dead 2x6-8, squat by 20, then deadlift 2 x6-8

Also, do you know why deadlifts went from 1 set on the LP to 2 sets?

Thank you

re: Lengthened partials

Posted by geux2019 on 3/29/25 at 7:58 pm to
I will give them a tryout Mon. Thank you.

re: Lengthened partials

Posted by geux2019 on 3/29/25 at 1:39 pm to
Thank you. This was very helpful.

re: Lengthened partials

Posted by geux2019 on 3/29/25 at 11:56 am to
This is news to me. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. If staying 1-2 RIR what is the consensus for volume per week per muscle?

re: Lengthened partials

Posted by geux2019 on 3/29/25 at 10:20 am to
I agree about sticking to full ROM. But I do see a benefit do doing extra lengthened partials after you can't complete any more full rom. Especially one movements where the main muscle you are targeting is most active in the lengthened position, yet lockout is where its hardest. Things like side laterals, rows, chins, bench for example. If you could do 4 more half sets of bench at the bottom, since your triceps are tired it seems like you are leaving gains on chest if you don't finish with partials. What do you think on that? I haven't seen any studies talking about this.

re: Lengthened partials

Posted by geux2019 on 3/28/25 at 11:48 pm to
I will stick to the stretch then. So last set of an exercise go to absolute failure, then stretch? Or is failure not recommended prior to the stretch?

re: Lengthened partials

Posted by geux2019 on 3/28/25 at 4:27 pm to
I'm going to give it a shot. Do you think lengthened partials before on my last exercise would be worth it? Or its a one or the other type of thing?

re: Lengthened partials

Posted by geux2019 on 3/28/25 at 2:52 pm to
This makes sense. So back you would count as 1 muscle. not a stretch after a horizontal pull, then a stretch after a vertical pull as well?

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re: Lengthened partials

Posted by geux2019 on 3/28/25 at 12:03 pm to
So an example would be for side laterals for example. 25lbs for 10 normal reps, 25lbs for 9 normal reps, rest. 25lbs for 8 normal reps until failure. then immediately lengthened partials with the 25lbs, until lengthened partials become more like pulses. drop the DBs, pick up the 20s, do as many partial reps as you can, trying to get as full ROM every rep(or do you try to keep a certain level of form with the partials like going no more than 30% of ROM, until they start to look like pulses, then repeat until you get down to the 5s?

I am going to give them a listen next cardio day. Thanks. Big fan of Musso at the box as well. I see you have very fine taste in podcasts! :cheers:
This class is shaping up to be a real great one.

re: Lengthened partials

Posted by geux2019 on 3/27/25 at 6:45 pm to
I'm not familiar with this group. Is it one you would recommend for me to listen?

re: Lengthened partials

Posted by geux2019 on 3/27/25 at 4:34 pm to
I have heard they are also good for compounds, but its just a lot more difficult to do them. Lengthened partials for rows or chinups or Presses are highly recommended by the RP guys and co like milo wolf. Its just doing that with heavy squats after going to failure is a lot more dangerous.