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Anybody use blood flow restriction training?

Posted on 12/25/17 at 6:11 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 12/25/17 at 6:11 pm
It sounds sketchy if not dangerous but it seems to be a hot new fad.
Posted by Gorilla Fingers
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 12/25/17 at 8:39 pm to
This strikes me as one of those bizarre fitness fads that might catch on with a few and ultimately be done in vein.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 12/25/17 at 11:41 pm to
Layne Norton is a big advocate for it
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/26/17 at 10:07 am to
Yea there is a ton of science behind it. I haven't tried it but I guess the theory seems sound and alot of people seem to be getting good results with it.
Posted by Macrell
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 12/26/17 at 10:21 am to
Use to do this in jr high and high school. Put sweat bands around our bis/tris and pump out curls and skullcrushers. Who knew we were fitness revolutionaries.
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 12/26/17 at 11:11 am to
It does sound counterintuitive when you first hear about it.

https://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ask-the-muscle-prof-occlusion-training.html

Occlusion training involves wrapping a device like a pressure cuff or knee wraps around the top of a limb at a pressure sufficient to occlude, or obstruct, blood flow to the veins, but not the arteries.2,3 This way, the arteries continue to deliver blood to the limb, and the blood pools in the limb as the veins struggle to take it back to the heart.

There are at least three ways that BFR works.3, 5-7 You may have used the phrase "get my swole on" before—it's OK, we all have—but you'll really learn what it means once you apply a wrap. During BFR, muscle cells reach a point where they are so full of fluid that they have to either burst or grow.6

The second way BFR works is that the low oxygen level in a muscle during the accumulation of blood forces your body to recruit larger fast-twitch fibers, resulting in extreme growth.

Finally, when oxygen is low, lactic acid rapidly accumulates. This may sound bad, but studies show lactic acid by itself can increase protein synthesis!


As for weight, all the research indicates that there's no benefit to be gained from going heavy. Select a weight that is 20-40 percent of your 1RM—seriously! Trust me, it will feel much heavier by the end.

Our recommendation for the ideal BFR workout to optimizing growth is 4 sets with reps of 30, 15, 15, and 15, with only 30 seconds rest between sets. Perform this workout 2-3 times per week.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22542 posts
Posted on 12/26/17 at 12:29 pm to
I might try this for my biceps. They lack behind my triceps considerably.
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 12/26/17 at 1:22 pm to
Comments on that thread are interesting.

Response to proportion questions about chests and back (core) muscles:

You don't need to, you wrap the top of your arm and in turn it will limit the supply of circulation to the shoulder.

Similar to if someone asked "how do you wrap your calf? By wrapping your quad your still limiting the blood swell and causing stretching and swelling of the muscle.

Another comment

As stated above, everytime you train past 40-60 % of your 1-RM you MECHANICALLY SHUT DOWN your blood flow. I feel that it is important for people to understand the actual processes that truly occur with "Old Fashion Ways" The research has been clear for decades, if you lift the old fashion ways you will mechanically occlude blood vessels. Which is one of the reasons why you hypertrophy with the old fashion ways! In fact, I used to work with two M.D. PhDs in my old laboratory, and they induced vascular occlusion with static contractions as low as 40- 50 % 1RM with NO WRAP. What do you think occurs when you are lifting heavy weights? Why do you think your blood pressure skyrockets to 480 / 350 when you train legs? Its because you have mechanically shut down your blood vessels. It is a lack of understanding of normal physiological responses to training which freaks people out about low intensity blood flow restriction exercise.

Another comment:

The basic performance enhancements behind the idea shouldn't be surprising - low oxygenated environments have been shown to support a more anabolic training response and part of pumping up has always been about forcing blood into the muscle - an isometric hold or an isotension flex (Arnold's thing) is essentially just a 'manual' way to trap blood in the muscle. I'd imagine it's not terribly difficult to 'over-do' it though.
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 12/26/17 at 1:24 pm to
arasch1

So i tried the workout today but i didnt feel any pump. I did 30-15-15-15, the weight was hard but by the end my arms weren't sore or stiff and didn't even feel like i had touched them. Did I need the straps tighter or were they to tight?

October 21st, 2013
DrJacobWilson (Jacob Wilson)

Yes its likely an issue of the weight being too light or the wraps need to be slightly tighter. In the arms you should feel a pump during. But the next day you will not be sore, because it doesn't cause damage
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