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re: Your one request for Baton Rouge golf

Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:03 pm to
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:03 pm to
quote:


LSU's revenues are probably $500k or more


Alot of that is from students and I don't think they would really go play elsewhere especially if city park is out of the picture. Some of them would sure, but it's not like every round sold there would be moved to another course, I would estimate 50% tops.

quote:

I bet City Park is similar


Maybe, but again this is the lowest price option so assuming everybody that plays city park will just go somewhere else is a stretch imo.

I really just don't think the impact would be that great. It would make the other courses better, no doubt, but it would not turn BR golf from what it is today to a great place for public golf.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11765 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:08 pm to
The beauty is you don't need all of the rounds to go. If you get 1/2 to 2/3 at the higher prices charged at the other courses you are golden.

Obviously all this will never happen and we will be stuck with all this crappy golf. And obviously with a name like BeaverPro, he knows far more than me about our golf.

I think I make some good points we all need to think about if we want better golf in Baton Rouge. And that is my request. I wish we had better golf on average.
Posted by Front9Bandit
Member since Dec 2013
15432 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:11 pm to
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Greystone is $199 a month for under 35, fwiw


Great deal, also the under 35 membership drive BRCC and CCL ran a year or two ago as mentioned earlier was a steal imo.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87180 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:14 pm to
I know a few people who took advantage of the CCL deal. Greystone is the only place that makes sense for me though. Too close and so cheap for a course that's always in great shape even if it is often a grind. But I'll say this, being a member at a course where there are no "gimme" shots has helped my game a ton.
Posted by The Johnny Lawrence
Member since Sep 2016
2211 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:16 pm to
If you closed Clark, City and LSU, and the money those courses spent went to Santa Maria, Webb, and Beaver, they would have more money to spend. But I don't think it is that simple. (That is assuming how it would work and I don't know that that is correct).

If you close three courses, you have to assume those rounds go to one of the other courses. Call Santa Maria right now and they probably won't have a tee time on Saturday morning available. So the rounds that were being played Saturday morning at LSU have nowhere to go in the morning. So those people have to play in the heat of the day and a lot of them will find something else to do. There is a max capacity for a golf course. Especially here when you try not to tee off around 12:00 pm.


Additionally, there is a diminishing return for rounds of golf played. If you play a lot of rounds, you'll have more money, but the course will get beat to death. Imagine a golf course that has 50 rounds a day versus a course that has 175 rounds a day. That's 125 extra people every day dragging their feet on greens, beating up the driving range, and walking over grass. Grass is grown by the inch but killed by the foot. You'd have to really increase the budget to be able to handle the increase of rounds and the toll that would take.


Now, let's assume the LSU rounds decide to play at noon, they are in for a round of no less than 4.5 hours. Honestly, that's what it is today out there, so it would likely be 5+ hours, because now you'll have too many guys who just started playing golf and shoot 13434 a side slowing things up. A Marshall can only do so much. A lot of people are turned off by how long golf takes and that's assuming it's only 4 hours. Add another hour and people will stay at home.

Lastly, you would take away the cheap options for golf in the town. Anyone who doesn't play golf consistently or that doesn't have a decent job would be forced out of golf. No one is going to pay $65 to play Santa Maria if they are just starting out. It's too expensive and too difficult. BREC courses aren't meant to make money for the city, if they break even that's awesome. They are there to attract families to the area. Highland Road Park, Hickory Ridge Park, etc. aren't bringing in the big bucks. They may have less of a budget, but BREC is a tax payer funded service that is vital to a city. Close BREC courses and see how many IBMs decide to relocate to Baton Rouge. Parks actually matter for a lot of people deciding on where to call home.




Tldr: closing golf courses isn't a band-aid for golf in the area. Some need to and have closed. Others need to stay open.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11765 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:25 pm to
Santa Maria isn't the only other option for golf if LSU or City closes. Tons of other options and cheap ones too if you look at Golf Now. Gasp, these cheap asses may have to play at odd times like lunch or afternoons or weekdays.

Yes some people may have to play in afternoon or on weekday. That is actually healthy for golf. Having everyone only playing on Saturday and Sunday morning is actually what is hurting BR golf. Courses are dead during week and afternoons. Not good.

The amount of play that would move from LSU Clark and City Park to the other courses would not be hard on the courses. No course is getting 100 rounds a day everyday day no matter who closes. Weekdays no one is on our courses so plenty of time to heal.

When the courses close turn them into parks. Like you say that is great for the City. More people use our parks than these golf courses.
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 1:31 pm
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11765 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:26 pm to
It is a heck of a deal.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36606 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:27 pm to
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Gasp, these cheap asses may have to play at odd times like lunch or afternoons or weekdays.


Except they won't. They'll find something else to do. The whole reason half of them are playing is because it cost $8-15.

quote:

The amount of play that would move from LSU Clark and City Park to the other courses would not be hard on the courses


Disagree.
Posted by Croacka
Denham Springs
Member since Dec 2008
61451 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:27 pm to
I think golf courses need more promotions during the week and early afternoons if they want more players.

Greystone does a good job of this on wednesdays and they use to have a buddy special every Tuesday but I think that is gone


Other courses seem to never offer much of a discount aside from regular twilight
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87180 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:28 pm to
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Greystone does a good job of this on wednesdays
Best thing Blain did.
Posted by Croacka
Denham Springs
Member since Dec 2008
61451 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:29 pm to
That's been around a lot longer than he had if I'm not mistaken


ETA: I could be wrong
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 1:32 pm
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87180 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:31 pm to
Ah. Someone who's been there a while said it was his idea. Scratch that then... Good on Mike.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11765 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:42 pm to
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Except they won't. They'll find something else to do. The whole reason half of them are playing is because it cost $8-15.


It will be healthy for golf in BR to lose any customer who only plays because the price is $8-$15.

If they won't play for any price higher then that then it isn't good for golf in BR. The courses that allow this would be better off as parks.

Again, I am admittedly advocating for better golf options not cheaper golf options.
Posted by The Johnny Lawrence
Member since Sep 2016
2211 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:44 pm to
quote:

Santa Maria isn't the only other option for golf if LSU or City closes. Tons of other options and cheap ones too if you look at Golf Now. Gasp, these cheap asses may have to play at odd times like lunch or afternoons or weekdays.


Yes, those Golf Now deals involve driving outside of the city limits. So now I've got a 45 minute drive on top of a 4 hour round. Or I've got to skip work. Great solution.



quote:

The amount of play that would move from LSU Clark and City Park to the other courses would not be hard on the courses. No course is getting 100 rounds a day everyday day no matter who closes. Weekdays no one is on our courses so plenty of time to heal.


In 2013, BREC did a study and Webb and Santa Maria almost averaged 100 rounds a day. Beaver is just below 60. That doesn't factor in rain days, days under 40 degrees, etc.

Golf course // Rounds played


Webb Park // 31,267
Santa Maria // 35,133
Beaver Creek // 21,157

LINK


I know LSU plays more than 100 rounds a day, on average. I can't find a supporting link, but they are busier than Santa Maria and Webb, hands down.

At least be knowledgeable with the opinion. I'm not saying you are definitely wrong, but your opinion needs to at least be based in fact.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11765 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:49 pm to
Just because a course gets 200+ rounds a day Friday Saturday and Sunday that doesn't mean it gets any during the week and guess what you still average 100 a day. But the courses get breaks.

That is my point. You are looking a averages when determining how hard it is on the course you need to look per day to see if there is a break for grass to grow and crew to help heal the course.
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 1:52 pm
Posted by BeaverPRO
Tampa
Member since Aug 2009
16264 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:01 pm to
Do not look to much into that article. Those numbers are incorrect. Beaver Creek had over 28,000 rounds that year. Those numbers are from two years prior to the report being issued. It averaged to almost 78-80 rounds a day, which isn't much but it's better than fricking 60.
Posted by The Johnny Lawrence
Member since Sep 2016
2211 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:07 pm to
Thanks for the insight.

I really like BC, just wish it was closer to my house or my office. If it was closer into town, it'd easily solve most of my complaints. Same with The Bluffs, Carter Plantation, The Island, or Pelican Pointe.
Posted by Navajo61490
Baton rouge
Member since Dec 2011
6886 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:13 pm to
Link on the Bayou has a 4 man 9 hole scramble every Thursday i believe.

BR needs this
Posted by BeaverPRO
Tampa
Member since Aug 2009
16264 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:27 pm to
that was the major issue with the course when i was there. Great course...shitty location!
Posted by The Johnny Lawrence
Member since Sep 2016
2211 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:43 pm to
I worked at Carter in college. Same deal. Just a little too far.
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