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re: Problems with a pull hook with the driver and woods (Update)
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:10 pm to nugget
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:10 pm to nugget
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Wrong, again. The big pull hooks are typically from swinging too far inside to out with a dead shut face
How in the hell does one even get himself in that position?
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Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:14 pm to Zanzibaw
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How in the hell does one even get himself in that position?
I'm talking about at impact and it's pretty common. Typically referred to as a flip. Hit a couple right and then the next one is left going left.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:25 pm to nugget
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I'm talking about at impact and it's pretty common. Typically referred to as a flip. Hit a couple right and then the next one is left going left
Im having trouble seeing how a flip (over rotating the face too early) doesn't make contact with the back to outside of the ball.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:30 pm to Zanzibaw
A pull hook is a pull (out to in/casting) with a hook (shut face that's still closing). I'm not sure what nugget is trying to describe.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:31 pm to Zanzibaw
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Im having trouble seeing how a flip (over rotating the face too early) doesn't make contact with the back to outside of the ball.
The face orientation at impact doesn't have anything to do with where on the ball the club strikes it. The picture that I posted earlier shows someone hitting the ball from the inside and the ball starting left and hooking even more.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:33 pm to ell_13
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A pull hook is a pull (out to in/casting)
The thing is the ball starts close to where the face is pointing. Coming over the top or inside has very little to do with where the ball starts.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:37 pm to nugget
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The face orientation at impact doesn't have anything to do with where on the ball the club strikes it. The picture that I posted earlier shows someone hitting the ball from the inside and the ball starting left and hooking even more
The face orientation certainly has something to do with impact. The more closed the face is the more contact will be with the outside of the ball. It's just physics and geometry.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:37 pm to nugget
quote:All in relation to the direction of the swing.
The thing is the ball starts close to where the face is pointing
quote:We are talking about a pull hook though. Not just a hook. You can pull a ball and it still slice. How do you think that happens?
Coming over the top or inside has very little to do with where the ball starts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:39 pm to nugget
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The thing is the ball starts close to where the face is pointing
The ball will always start where the face is pointing. Once again, physics and geometry.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:39 pm to ell_13
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All in relation to the direction of the swing.
No, in relation to the target
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We are talking about a pull hook though. Not just a hook. You can pull a ball and it still slice. How do you think that happens?
I literally posted the data of a pull hook on the last page. Club path was to the right but the ball started left and hooked.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:40 pm to Zanzibaw
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The ball will always start where the face is pointing. Once again, physics and geometry.
The ball does not start where the face is pointing. About 70% towards it with an iron and 90% with a driver.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:41 pm to Zanzibaw
quote:Exactly. If you are swinging out to in, you are more likely to catch the "outside" of the ball in a vacuum. But most people have an open face in that scenario and that's a slice swing. Depending on the angle of the face together with the angle of the swing path the ball could start left or right of target.
The more closed the face is the more contact will be with the outside of the ball. It's just physics and geometry.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:41 pm to nugget
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No, in relation to the target
The target is not a component of the golf swing.
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I literally posted the data of a pull hook on the last page. Club path was to the right but the ball started left and hooked.
Nobody is arguing that the swing was to the right. It can be to the right and the face be shut and contact is still going to happen center to outside on the ball.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:42 pm to Zanzibaw
Here:
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:43 pm to Zanzibaw
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The target is not a component of the golf swing.
It is the only component of launch direction. If the ball starts left of that, it's a pull.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:43 pm to nugget
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The ball does not start where the face is pointing. About 70% towards it with an iron and 90% with a driver.
Exactly how far out of your arse are you pulling those numbers from?
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:45 pm to ell_13
Old ball flight laws
That image is literally from this website saying that it's not the ball flight laws.
That image is literally from this website saying that it's not the ball flight laws.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:45 pm to nugget
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It is the only component of launch direction. If the ball starts left of that, it's a pull
Launch direction is also not a component of the golf swing. You're gonna tell me Fred Couples isn't hitting it at his target because he "pushes" every shot he hits?
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:46 pm to Zanzibaw
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Clubface angle accounts for around 75% of a shot’s overall starting direction, with club path being only 25% (contrary to the old wives tale that the ball starts on the swing path). Although this % varies a little from club to club, face angle is the dominant influence on direction.
LINK
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:48 pm to Zanzibaw
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Launch direction is also not a component of the golf swing. You're gonna tell me Fred Couples isn't hitting it at his target because he "pushes" every shot he hits?
It was talking about pulls and pull hooks which are defined by launch direction. We are going to get nowhere if you think the ball launches at the face, though. No big deal.
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