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re: Pick yourself Keegan
Posted on 6/23/25 at 2:25 pm to llfshoals
Posted on 6/23/25 at 2:25 pm to llfshoals
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In match play foursomes and four ball the most important stats are fairways and greens. You’re not playing a municipal course, it’s Bethpage Black in US open conditions. Fairways and Greens will be king the first 2 days. You put your partner in bad shape off the tee more you lose. Burns hits 10% fewer fairways and 5% fewer greens.
I can hear the argument for foursomes, but not four ball. So, half the matches may need birdies and putting and the other half need fairways and greens.
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Posted on 6/23/25 at 4:27 pm to llfshoals
quote:Are they really going to do this? I would have thought they would not want severe rough.
it’s Bethpage Black in US open conditions.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 4:35 pm to AlxTgr
quote:Ryder cup venues for the most part have been brutal.
Are they really going to do this? I would have thought they would not want severe rough.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 4:39 pm to llfshoals
I found this:
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Expect short rough, deep tees and other tweaks to accommodate American captain Keegan Bradley and his anticipated "team of bombers."
Posted on 6/23/25 at 5:36 pm to AlxTgr
I think it has gotten a little silly with the host team rigging the course for their strengths.
But yes, i expect shorter rough than US Open conditions.
But yes, i expect shorter rough than US Open conditions.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 8:45 pm to AlxTgr
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Expect short rough, deep tees and other tweaks to accommodate American captain Keegan Bradley and his anticipated "team of bombers."
The US won't have the same bomber advantage that they have in the past. The two team will likely have a very similar profile. I don't know if there will be a way to take advantage of being the team to set up the course.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:30 pm to DestrehanTiger
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The US won't have the same bomber advantage that they have in the past
I agree. Other than Bryson, most of them are in the same range. There are a few guys that are a little shorter and a few a little longer. Morikawa cant bomb it. JT, Spaun, and Henley are not super long. Clark wont be out there. Burns is still on the bubble, imo.
Euros will have some guys who can get it out there passed our guys. Rory, Rahm, Aberg, and Hovland are as long as the big hitters in the US lineup, except BD.
If we are rigging the course, just put some clearings that only Bryson can reach off the tee.
Posted on 6/24/25 at 6:05 am to DestrehanTiger
I have no opinion on that. I was just posting what has been said about the set up.
Posted on 6/24/25 at 1:01 pm to llfshoals
Would be an unbelievably cool story if Keegan auto-qualified. After getting snubbed last time, for him to play his way on the team would be the perfect story line for a Bethpage Ryder Cup.
But he would be insane to pick himself as a captain’s pick. Can you imagine the blowback he would get if he picked himself and didn’t win every match? Nobody deserves that much heat. The ultimate no-win situation.
But he would be insane to pick himself as a captain’s pick. Can you imagine the blowback he would get if he picked himself and didn’t win every match? Nobody deserves that much heat. The ultimate no-win situation.
Posted on 6/24/25 at 1:41 pm to LJBurton
Can anyone explain what is so important that the captain does during rounds in the Ryder Cup? I could see relaying information about how a hole is playing, but it seems Asst Captains could easily do that.
As a player, I wouldn't really want a captain telling me how to play a hole. I also wouldn't really care how matches are going outside of mine. I am doing what I can to win each hole.
So, what is the Captain doing that requires so much attention during matches?
As a player, I wouldn't really want a captain telling me how to play a hole. I also wouldn't really care how matches are going outside of mine. I am doing what I can to win each hole.
So, what is the Captain doing that requires so much attention during matches?
Posted on 6/24/25 at 8:04 pm to DestrehanTiger
That’s one thing I don’t understand about some of the arguments about having a playing captain, most notably Soly from NLU. He constantly says the Europeans have an advantage due to their captain having better infrastructure around him as well as better people to delegate to. Most notably, the data/analytics gets handed off to Molinari. The NLU crew also seems to think the US captains have historically taken on more responsibility individually when it comes to selecting the team, determining matchups, etc.
If Keegan delegates more, that seems like a win to me. Lean on others for data/matchups and limit Keegan to making public appearances and giving hype up speeches to the team. If it works, that’s a model the US can use going forward.
If Keegan delegates more, that seems like a win to me. Lean on others for data/matchups and limit Keegan to making public appearances and giving hype up speeches to the team. If it works, that’s a model the US can use going forward.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 9:21 am to LJBurton
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The ultimate no-win situation.
It's kind of lame they picked him as a captain to begin with. They were trying to makeup for how bad it looked leaving him off the team before, given how rigged it looked to the world with Zach Johnson and his buddies on full swing. But they give it to him under the assumption that he wasn't going to be good enough to make the next team. Except that back fired because he would for sure be on the team if someone else were captain. So once again he's possibly getting screwed out of playing on a Ryder Cup team. As cool of an honor as being a captain is, if I'm a top PGA Tour pro, I'd rather be there as a player, not a captain. Save the captain stuff for when I'm 60.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 9:29 am to iwyLSUiwy
One thing that NLU threw out that I thought could be interesting was to have one of the usual guys take over for this year, then promise Keegan the 27 captaincy at Adare Manor.
The issue with this, other than Keegan agreeing to it, is the stand-in captain isn't really being given a great gift with a half captaincy.
The issue with this, other than Keegan agreeing to it, is the stand-in captain isn't really being given a great gift with a half captaincy.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 5:30 pm to DestrehanTiger
quote:Not much. Captain sets the matchups. Past that it’s basically tell players what’s going on with the other matches. Possibly how greens are reacting.
Can anyone explain what is so important that the captain does during rounds in the Ryder Cup?
They might (should) be using information on how guys are playing to determine afternoon matchups.
Keegan could set early matches, and not play in those, putting himself in afternoon ones and I don’t really see a thing he couldn’t do about as well as a playing captain.
And I really like his attitude in match play.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 6:33 pm to llfshoals
When Europe hosted in Italy, Luke Donald used analytics to set the course up where his guys had a strokes gained advantage.
I’m sure USA does the same thing when they host.
The captain’s biggest job is the 6 picks.
Always questions if you leave out top 12 points guy or a player who is hot down the stretch.
If he is in still in top 10 at pick time, I think he picks himself.
There are multiple vice captains who can communicate info and watch matches. I’m not sure if there are many restrictions on the vice captains.
I’m sure USA does the same thing when they host.
The captain’s biggest job is the 6 picks.
Always questions if you leave out top 12 points guy or a player who is hot down the stretch.
If he is in still in top 10 at pick time, I think he picks himself.
There are multiple vice captains who can communicate info and watch matches. I’m not sure if there are many restrictions on the vice captains.
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