Any golf ranking system that doesn’t have Bruce Kupcake…

100% OP is correct. However, even if you truly had no bias, coming up with how to rank liv isn’t easy at all because of their structure. For example, how do you handle guys like chase kopeka who aren’t tour caliber players, that automatically make every single liv event? It’s just not an easy situation even if you truly don’t have a bias and want to do the right thing

Maybe they could use scoring average over x number of rounds

That would probably be more accurate than the system currently in place

I was told by some in here that these guys were past their prime and done because they were LIV players.

As long as the tour he primarily plays on is a nearly entirely closed system, then it won’t and shouldn’t change.

LIV’s business model of guaranteed contracts and 12 teams from 47 of the same 48 guys every year is fricking them. They promote, what, 1 guy from the Asian Tour each year?

The 54 hole tournaments, no cuts, etc. could probably be worked around. Until they have a legit promotion and relegation system like every other major tour, then they’re SoL.

No. To have a proper world ranking, you have to have enough cross-reference data points to accurately assess strength of field. There are dozens upon dozens of tournaments that provide fairly diverse fields in terms of source tour, level on that source tour, etc, etc, etc. There are thousands, tens of thousands of individual reference points for relative player and tour strength. LIV doesn’t have that with its closed system. There is almost no way to play onto or off of the tour (with the exception of 1 slot). They don’t allow non-LIV players to play.

When it comes down to it, that’ll be the thing that gets them above all else. Not the 54 hole, no cut format. Not anything else.

And to your original point, Brooks was above 100 in Datagolf (which is tour-agnostic and looks purely at SG adjusted to strength of field across all tours) prior to the Masters and is still hovering around the high 30’s. So the OWGR wasn’t all that far off from the best and truest source of a player’s strength out there. He was hurt and playing like doo doo for almost two years prior to the Masters. Then he got healthy and found it again. It happens.

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Wouldn’t score and course rating solve this? It’s what we all use for handicaps. Not saying it’s the only important metric. But surely there is some system that could be worked out.

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Thats basically datagolf rankings

Why would anyone downvote your statement? It is 100% fact

I get what you’re saying. I really do.

However, I don’t think anyone can reasonably argue that Koepka, DJ, Cam Smith, and probably Bryson aren’t among the best 30 golfers in the world.

If the OWGR doesn’t have a way to make sure the absolute best players in the world are included it’s just not a legitimate ranking system.

How is this still a topic for debate? I agree that a lot of those guys might be (and probably are) inside the best 25 players in the world talent-wise, however they knew before signing contracts that LIV’s format didn’t meet the qualifications to receive OWGR points, and they signed contracts and went anyway. If LIV was serious about their players receiving OWGR points they know what they need to do to meet the criteria. They can adjust their field sizes, format, and have a clear system in place for other to qualify to play in their events. Same as every other professional golf tour in the world.

If OBJ decided to leave the NFL and go to the arena football league where he has 350 yards receiving every game and 6 TD’s, we can say he (might) be one of the top 25 receiver in all of football, but since he plays in a league that has has their own unique format, rules, field size, etc. we can’t directly compare him to guys in the NFL and assign ranking points