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re: Xbox 720 will require an always-on internet connection as an anti-piracy measure

Posted on 4/2/12 at 9:40 am to
Posted by stout
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Posted on 4/2/12 at 9:40 am to
GFX = graphics/effects.
Posted by MaroonDawg
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Posted on 4/2/12 at 9:57 am to
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If this thing has multiple 7970 level chips, be prepared for a $600 console that uses 800W of power and sounds like a jet engine.


this is exactly what i was thinking...

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Have they said anything about the cooling system?
Posted by taylork37
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Posted on 4/2/12 at 9:57 am to
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The next gen consoles will have GFX up to date with PCs but will be able to max out TVs and monitors for a long while to come.


Any mention of framerate?

60fps needs to be the minimum for the next gen consoles. Its all dependent on the developers I guess and how they spread out the resources of the system, but a 4096x2160 resolution doesn't matter if the game is still running at 30fps like this gen.



This post was edited on 4/2/12 at 9:58 am
Posted by stout
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Posted on 4/2/12 at 10:00 am to
There are lots of games in the current gen that reach 60fps. Like you said that's more on the developers and what they utilize.
Posted by taylork37
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Posted on 4/2/12 at 10:07 am to
Yes there are, but most games are not. Like I said, 4096x2160 resolution doesn't matter if the games are at 30fps.

Sony/ MS need to set a minimum framerate IMO.



Posted by stout
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Posted on 4/2/12 at 10:11 am to
IMO you can't tell a distinguishable difference between 30fps with proper motion blur and 60fps. As long as games look smooth and aren't choppy I don't care what a developer does.
Posted by Antiheroaz
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Posted on 4/2/12 at 10:15 am to
I think I'd have an easier time understanding this....


Posted by taylork37
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Posted on 4/2/12 at 10:19 am to
I politely disagree. I think 30fps even with motion blur is quite noticeable. I can play any game for a couple minutes and tell you if it is 30 or 60.

Call me a snob if you want.
Posted by Brown Mountain
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Posted on 4/2/12 at 10:20 am to
Agreed. Just say the graphics are going to be awesome so I can get excited about the next generation.
Posted by taylork37
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Posted on 4/2/12 at 10:23 am to
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Agreed. Just say the graphics are going to be awesome so I can get excited about the next generation.



the graphics will be awesome.
Posted by stout
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Posted on 4/2/12 at 10:24 am to
They will be great but I am just curious how long it will take developers to reach the full potential of the next systems. If you remember when the current systems came out the graphics weren't nearly as nice as they are now and it's the same hardware from 6/7 years ago. Sony said that developers just really reached the full potential of the PS3 in the last few years.
Posted by Croacka
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Posted on 4/2/12 at 10:25 am to
That's when it started freezing and shite too
Posted by Antiheroaz
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Posted on 4/2/12 at 10:25 am to
now its nana time...
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
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Posted on 4/2/12 at 10:37 am to
I don't think the permanent Internet connection would be bad for people who already have Xbox live, but I think they're going to have a harder time attracting new customers. You're going to have to have a good internet connection and better TV to really get any use out of them.
Posted by baytiger
Boston
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Posted on 4/2/12 at 10:38 am to
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f you remember when the current systems came out the graphics weren't nearly as nice as they are now and it's the same hardware from 6/7 years ago.
that happens with every console generation though

think about super mario bros. vs. super mario bros. 3
Posted by Jumbeauxlaya
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Posted on 4/2/12 at 10:40 am to
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This could lead to an increasing number of consoles being "jailbroken," a la the iPhones and such. When a company tries to put more and more limits on its products, consumers will always find a way around it...especially when it comes to electronics.


It 100% will lead to more jailbroken consoles, and consequently maybe even more piracy.
Posted by baytiger
Boston
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Posted on 4/2/12 at 10:41 am to
yeah, it'll be jailbroken within a month of release. book it.
Posted by taylork37
Member since Mar 2010
15523 posts
Posted on 4/2/12 at 10:45 am to
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They will be great but I am just curious how long it will take developers to reach the full potential of the next systems. If you remember when the current systems came out the graphics weren't nearly as nice as they are now and it's the same hardware from 6/7 years ago. Sony said that developers just really reached the full potential of the PS3 in the last few years.


Yeah. A great example of this is Skyrim and oblivion. Completely different graphically, but on the same system.

It all depends on the architecture of the system tho. The cell chip, for example, on the PS3 was not fully utilized until recently because of the complexity.


Posted by taylork37
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 4/2/12 at 10:46 am to
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You're going to have to have a good internet connection and better TV to really get any use out of them.



I mean, their target demographic at this point mostly has internet and a nice TV.

They aren't targeting hardcore gamers anymore. They are going after casual gamers/media users.

Even still, most hardcore gamers have both a nice TV and internet.
This post was edited on 4/2/12 at 10:48 am
Posted by Winslow
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Posted on 4/2/12 at 10:48 am to
Damn.. Crazy
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