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re: Q1 PC Hardware Releases - Nvidia and AMD GPUs
Posted on 1/15/25 at 12:38 pm to Joshjrn
Posted on 1/15/25 at 12:38 pm to Joshjrn
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So the reason I kept it a little more vague is that those numbers come from exactly two games: Resident Evil and Horizon Forbidden West. It’s likely those numbers can be extrapolated out, but it’s not a guarantee. But when we get the reviews for the 5090 on the 24th, if they roughly track, we should pretty safely assume the 5080 will also similarly track.
The worst part about this announcement, unless I am missing something, is that these numbers are being judged against the non-super variants... so at least for the 5070 and 5070ti, the performance uplift is actually going to be way worse than what is being reported. the 4080 super was like 1-2% faster than the regular 4080 so basically irrelevant.
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Posted on 1/15/25 at 5:18 pm to Joshjrn
AMD is apparently going to do a solo conference/release announcement for the 9000 series focused on the 9070xt. Any chance that card resets the mid ranged GPU market as rumored? All this AI frame gen doesn’t sound like my cup of tea. Just want a raw performance upgrade over my 3080 without breaking the bank.
Posted on 1/15/25 at 7:44 pm to bamabenny
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Any chance that card resets the mid ranged GPU market as rumored?
If they price it at $450 or less then the 9070XT will be very popular. But this AMD we are talking about so I don’t have much faith in them pricing their inferior product accordingly.
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All this AI frame gen doesn’t sound like my cup of tea.
This is something you, and every gamer better learn right now. Frame gen isn’t going anywhere, and in fact is only truly beginning. Frame gen is actually necessary if you want to push games to the most realistic settings possible while maintaining playable frame rates.
Much like how DLSS launched in its first iteration as a blurry and artifact filled mess but is now much improved, frame gen will continue to develop and improve over time.
This post was edited on 1/15/25 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 1/16/25 at 8:06 am to LSUGent
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This is something you, and every gamer better learn right now. Frame gen isn’t going anywhere, and in fact is only truly beginning. Frame gen is actually necessary if you want to push games to the most realistic settings possible while maintaining playable frame rates.
Much like how DLSS launched in its first iteration as a blurry and artifact filled mess but is now much improved, frame gen will continue to develop and improve over time.
This is why I'm looking forward to the 24th. DLSS 1 sucked. DLSS 2+ was such a game changer that AMD is finally having to abandon their "open source open hardware" tack for FSR in acknowledgement that they just can't make it good enough to compete with DLSS. In the same way, I've been a pretty vocal opponent to this generation of Nvidia's frame gen tech. We'll see if they managed to evolve it enough to make it into the game changer that DLSS has turned into.
Posted on 1/23/25 at 2:01 pm to Joshjrn
So, reviews of the 5090FE came out this morning. Pure raster gaming uplift was the (recently) expected 30% or so. I've delayed discussing it at any length because I'm still waiting for major reviewers to spend time with multi frame gen. There are people on reddit as well as smaller YT channels that are absolutely gushing over DLSS4 in general and MFG in particular, but no one I trust enough to give any credence. Because CP2077 released its full DLSS4 patch this morning, I'm hoping we see some coverage on it in the next couple of days.
Posted on 1/23/25 at 2:43 pm to Joshjrn
Still rocking my RTX 2070 and i5-9600K. 
Needless to say, I pretty much don't play new AAA games.
Needless to say, I pretty much don't play new AAA games.
Posted on 1/23/25 at 2:59 pm to southpawcock
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Still rocking my RTX 2070 and i5-9600K. Needless to say, I pretty much don't play new AAA games.
And I assume play at 1080p
Posted on 1/23/25 at 6:49 pm to Joshjrn
Apropos of nothing other than the possibility of my upgrading this cycle, has anyone seen what the reasonable used price of the 3080fe is at this point? The prices I'm seeing seem utterly unreasonable, like $500+. Would something like $350 (TD lulz) make sense considering relative price to performance of subsequent releases? Or is that low/high?
Posted on 1/23/25 at 9:16 pm to Joshjrn
EVGA 3080s typically go for around $400-ish on Ebay. FE 3080s for $430 to $450 plus shipping.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 7:30 am to GoGators1995
But that’s before this gen is released. I’m surprised prices are currently as sticky as they are considering the timing.
Eta: Though thinking back to the 30 series release, if stock is low, my 3080FE might all of a sudden be worth $700 again
Eta: Though thinking back to the 30 series release, if stock is low, my 3080FE might all of a sudden be worth $700 again
This post was edited on 1/24/25 at 9:43 am
Posted on 1/24/25 at 5:04 pm to Joshjrn
I just checked and there’s a 3080 FE from a reputable seller for $445.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 2:16 pm to Joshjrn
HUB released their Multi Frame Generation video:
YouTube
If it's a point of interest, you should absolutely watch it, because it's very interesting. With that said, this is TD, so here's the TLDW
MFG isn't markedly different tech than single frame generation. Yes, you get "more frames", but it not only has the same drawbacks, but they are compounded by every added frame. Because frame gen in general requires a reasonably high starting frame rate as a foundation (generally 100fps+), unless you have a monitor that's 360hz+, using MFGx4 isn't going to be a good experience.
That means the only 50 series exclusive feature, MFG, is pretty meh for the overwhelming majority of users. Nvidia's claim that the 5070 will be the equivalent of a 4090 is so untrue that I'm inclined to say that it's a lie. MFG is not like DLSS. DLSS is meant to take a low framerate and give you a higher framerate at the same or similar visual quality. MFG is meant to take an already high framerate and then multiply it to create extra visual smoothness at the expense of artifacting. But again, unless you have an extremely high refresh monitor, this accomplishes nothing for you, and it certainly doesn't make a lower tier card the equivalent of a higher tier card.
YouTube
If it's a point of interest, you should absolutely watch it, because it's very interesting. With that said, this is TD, so here's the TLDW
MFG isn't markedly different tech than single frame generation. Yes, you get "more frames", but it not only has the same drawbacks, but they are compounded by every added frame. Because frame gen in general requires a reasonably high starting frame rate as a foundation (generally 100fps+), unless you have a monitor that's 360hz+, using MFGx4 isn't going to be a good experience.
That means the only 50 series exclusive feature, MFG, is pretty meh for the overwhelming majority of users. Nvidia's claim that the 5070 will be the equivalent of a 4090 is so untrue that I'm inclined to say that it's a lie. MFG is not like DLSS. DLSS is meant to take a low framerate and give you a higher framerate at the same or similar visual quality. MFG is meant to take an already high framerate and then multiply it to create extra visual smoothness at the expense of artifacting. But again, unless you have an extremely high refresh monitor, this accomplishes nothing for you, and it certainly doesn't make a lower tier card the equivalent of a higher tier card.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 2:36 pm to Joshjrn
Will there be an easy way to tell if i can just swap out my 4090 for 5090 without uograding psu or whatnot? Pretty new skytech so mobo shouldnt be an issue hopefully.
This post was edited on 1/25/25 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 1/25/25 at 3:24 pm to Gusoline
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Will there be an easy way to tell if i can just swap out my 4090 for 5090 without uograding psu or whatnot? Pretty new skytech so mobo shouldnt be an issue hopefully.
Easy depends heavily on a host of factors. Let's just start with your parts list and your most extreme usage cases and then we'll go from there if need be.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 4:06 pm to Joshjrn
Can't pull up the exact model on amazon just links me to similar. this is from order history.
Intel Core i9 13900K 3.0 GHz,
NVIDIA RTX 4090,
2TB NVME Gen4 SSD,
64GB DDR5 RAM RGB,
1000W Gold PCIE 5.0 PSU,
360mm AIO,
11AC Wi-Fi, Windows 11 Home 64-bit
added an additional samsung pro 2tb ssd.
from ms32, mobo is an MSI PRO z790-P WIFI (MS-7306)
I run dual curved 4k odyssey g8s 240hz.
hoping with the 50 i can game 4k on one monitor and stream 4k netflix/prime on the other without it bogging down.
Intel Core i9 13900K 3.0 GHz,
NVIDIA RTX 4090,
2TB NVME Gen4 SSD,
64GB DDR5 RAM RGB,
1000W Gold PCIE 5.0 PSU,
360mm AIO,
11AC Wi-Fi, Windows 11 Home 64-bit
added an additional samsung pro 2tb ssd.
from ms32, mobo is an MSI PRO z790-P WIFI (MS-7306)
I run dual curved 4k odyssey g8s 240hz.
hoping with the 50 i can game 4k on one monitor and stream 4k netflix/prime on the other without it bogging down.
This post was edited on 1/25/25 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 1/25/25 at 4:18 pm to Gusoline
With that CPU… I wouldn’t be comfortable with 1000 watts and a 5090. Would want 1200w PSU
Posted on 1/25/25 at 4:40 pm to Gusoline
You should expect about 100w increase from the 4090 to the 5090. The 13900k is a wattage guzzler, but you should still be ok with a 1kw PSU.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 6:47 pm to Joshjrn
I bought a SeaSonic Titanium 750 in 2020 for $225. Now a SeaSonic 1200 Gold is $209? Are PSUs the only thing subject to reverse inflation?
I'm waiting on RDNA4 availability to replace my 580+, and I still am not convinced I need to upgrade my 5600X to an AM5. My trigger point is probably more RAM prices, for no good reason I believe I need to upgrade from 64GB to 128GB if I move up.
I'm waiting on RDNA4 availability to replace my 580+, and I still am not convinced I need to upgrade my 5600X to an AM5. My trigger point is probably more RAM prices, for no good reason I believe I need to upgrade from 64GB to 128GB if I move up.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 7:11 pm to LemmyLives
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I bought a SeaSonic Titanium 750 in 2020 for $225. Now a SeaSonic 1200 Gold is $209? Are PSUs the only thing subject to reverse inflation?
I think it’s a function of competition. There were very few 1kw on the market just a few years ago, so they could kind of charge whatever they wanted because it was such a halo product. Now that they are becoming more common, there is more price pressure.
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I'm waiting on RDNA4 availability to replace my 580+, and I still am not convinced I need to upgrade my 5600X to an AM5. My trigger point is probably more RAM prices, for no good reason I believe I need to upgrade from 64GB to 128GB if I move up.
The frick you going to do with 128GB of RAM?
Posted on 1/25/25 at 7:26 pm to Joshjrn
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The frick you going to do with 128GB of RAM?
I'm an adult, I just want all RAM slots populated! I haven't even started a single VM on this build, so I have no excuse. I'm the guy that installs VirtualBox, creates a Mint build, never to restart it until I delete it two years later. It's an irrational fear of putting 4 sticks in, and having to replace *all* of them in three years to increase capacity. It's probably borne out of the days with a 286 and having to worry about extended vs. expanded memory, 640k vs 728k.
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