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re: Q1 PC Hardware Releases - Nvidia and AMD GPUs

Posted on 1/7/25 at 6:03 am to
Posted by GalvoAg
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 6:03 am to
Yeah I’m getting a 5080 as soon as I can click buy
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 7:47 am to
Reminder that we all need to wait for third party benchmarks. There’s a lot of room for frickery in the statements he made last night
Posted by Carson123987
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 8:28 am to
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That 5070 = 4090 performance statement is wild. Need to hear some context behind that.


Maybe with DLSS Ultra Performance on LOL
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 8:47 am to
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Maybe with DLSS Ultra Performance on LOL

If I had to guess, I don’t think they would be that level of dishonest. I think it’s more likely that it’s incorporating their new AI features that are new to this gen. We just don’t know yet whether it’s going to be worth a shite
Posted by bamabenny
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:01 am to
I mean, if that statement is relying on 3 to 1 frame gen rate, that sounds like it'll be noticeably choppy and therefore quite useless
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 11:22 am to
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I mean, if that statement is relying on 3 to 1 frame gen rate, that sounds like it'll be noticeably choppy and therefore quite useless

So, the language used was comparing it to the 4090, which already does 2:1 frame gen. I think it’s likely he’s baking the in the extra frame, but not a frame gen vs pure raster, which would get him pilloried by reviewers. But we’ll see soon, hopefully. Because if the reviews for the 4080 come back fricky, then we know the reviews for everything downstream is going to come back fricky.
Posted by GalvoAg
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 2:06 pm to
[img]Reminder that we all need to wait for third party benchmarks. There’s a lot of room for frickery in the statements he made last night[/img]
For sure, just know it will be a big upgrade over my 3080.

Now I have to decide if I want to upgrade my 5800x to an 5700x3d, think it still has a little juice tho.
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 2:39 pm to
Chatter is saying release of both the 5090 and 5080 is slated for 1/30 and preorders for the 9070 allegedly start on 1/23, but that bit’s fricky and who knows if it’s just random vendor nonsense.
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 7:44 pm to
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I think it’s more likely that it’s incorporating their new AI features that are new to this gen.

Right. I think I'm going to wait for the 6090 to come out before I upgrade
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:45 am to
As a "take with a grain of salt" update, there's a rumored leak that a 9070xt surpasses the 4080 in TimeSpy (raster) and the 4070ti in Speed Way (RT) and is set to be priced at $479 for the reference models and around $550 for AIB models.

LINK

If true, this is a big deal. However, if true, I just can't fathom why AMD would have done what they did at CES, which is why I'm having a hard time taking it at face value. Hopefully we'll have more info in a few weeks.
Posted by bamabenny
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 12:55 pm to
Oh man that would reset the market.

Therefore there’s no way it’s legit
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:19 pm to
It would be a crazy powerful play to gobble up the middle of the GPU market, basically ceding the high end to Nvidia but crushing Intel on the low end. But if either side, price or performance, are close to that, it would simply make zero sense for AMD to abandon the GPU portion of the keynote. But AMD's PR team is literally one of the worst in the industry, so who knows
Posted by Gusoline
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Posted on 1/10/25 at 4:00 pm to
Got an email from dune awakening talking about them using razer and dlss 4.

We are proud to announce that Dune: Awakening will be one of the first games to feature NVIDIA’s DLSS 4 technology with Multi Frame Generation, along with Razer’s next-gen Chroma and Haptics integration.

Witness colossal sandworms break the surface of the dunes, dynamically pushing sand aside and spewing it into the air, as DLSS 4 with Multi Frame Generation enhances both the beauty and performance of your experience, including those last moments before the worm consumes you whole, or you barely escape.
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 1/10/25 at 5:34 pm to
I’m genuinely curious what DLSS 4 et al looks like on release. I can’t decide whether it’s more likely this is more like DLSS 1 that needed more time to mature or whether it’s more iterative and it’s ready to go day 1. Nvidia certainly poured hardware beef into the solution, so I’m cautiously optimistic, but we’ll see.
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 1/12/25 at 5:26 pm to
Obviously still to be taken with a significant dose of salt, but a little more fuel for the "4080ti levels of performance" fire for the 9070xt: Videocardz

Now, as a reminder, the 9070xt being the rough equivalent of a two year old 4070ti isn't the potentially interesting part; that's pretty standard generation over generation uplift between the companies. With the 5070ti coming in at $749 and the 5070 coming in at $549, the 9070xt is only interesting if it can truly undercut pricing. Even in pure raster without upscaling, I would expect the 5070 to trade blows with the 9070xt if previous generational uplift roughly carries forward. If AMD either surprises on performance or can actually deliver the card for $450-$499, it could grow legs. Much higher than that and I'm not sure if it gets any momentum.

Not an ideal chart, but it gives a rough context for what I'm talking about:

Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 1/14/25 at 9:56 pm to
I’m losing some enthusiasm re: the 5080. The review embargo for the 5090 lifts on the 24th, while it lifts for the 5080 on the 30th, which for those playing the home game, is the date of release. That makes me very, very concerned.
Posted by LSUGent
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 1/14/25 at 10:19 pm to
It’s not really surprising. The 5080 is purposely gimped as shite. It’s like 50% of the cores of the 5090, when the 80 class typically has around 70-80% of the cores of the top GPU die.
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 1/15/25 at 8:36 am to
Good news: Nvidia has now bifurcated the embargo dates and the 5080FE reviews will be released on the 29th. The bad news is that, if rumors are true, we might only be looking at 15-30% generational uplift like/like. If that's accurate, Nvidia is banking, hard, on the AI acceleration hardware they've added. If MFG is as groundbreaking as Nvidia claims it is, then there really isn't a problem, as it's simply a shifting in hardware priorities. If it isn't as good as Nvidia claims it is, then this generation could turn into a complete bust. Because MFG quality should be consistent across the cards, we should know more on that point on the 24th.
Posted by LSUGent
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 1/15/25 at 9:41 am to
Official numbers of raster performance from Nvidia.

5090= ~30% uplift vs 4090
5080= ~15% uplift vs 4080
5070ti= ~ 20% uplift vs 4070ti
5070= ~ 20% uplift vs 4070
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 1/15/25 at 12:32 pm to
So the reason I kept it a little more vague is that those numbers come from exactly two games: Resident Evil and Horizon Forbidden West. It’s likely those numbers can be extrapolated out, but it’s not a guarantee. But when we get the reviews for the 5090 on the 24th, if they roughly track, we should pretty safely assume the 5080 will also similarly track.
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