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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts
Posted on 6/6/13 at 11:02 pm to ILikeLSUToo
Posted on 6/6/13 at 11:02 pm to ILikeLSUToo
I considered a lot of what you said, except for the socket.
The more I read about the sockets the less I know what to do. haswell coming out first and then ivy-e coming out afterwards but may or may not outperform haswell. But the 2011 mobos just seem nicer and have gains at 3 cards, which I may do. I also read that ssd drives perform better with the LGA2011/X79.
Much research and much decision making ahead
I appreciate the help you guys have given me
The more I read about the sockets the less I know what to do. haswell coming out first and then ivy-e coming out afterwards but may or may not outperform haswell. But the 2011 mobos just seem nicer and have gains at 3 cards, which I may do. I also read that ssd drives perform better with the LGA2011/X79.
Much research and much decision making ahead
I appreciate the help you guys have given me
This post was edited on 6/6/13 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 6/6/13 at 11:42 pm to Pendulum
Guess I gotta be less nice this time around.
That's a great price on the CPU, but you're buying into a processor line that's about to be refreshed. I know my posts about this shite have been long, but I swear to christ I kind of fricking know what I'm talking about.
But ultimately, you aren't gonna be displeased with the CPU for gaming, but it's a stupid use of money to buy THAT CPU for the LGA 2011 socket at this point in time. Kind of like buying a Ferrari with a Honda engine. It's just odd.
You will be rid of 2011 and that chipset before any of its features matter.
I guess. It's only personal preference that I oppose closed loop systems in high-end builds, but I know it's "temporary." You'll get a decent overclock (4.4-4.6GHz), and that probably won't improve when you switch to a custom loop. These coolers are great though. Custom cooling gets expensive quickly.
Given the parts you originally selected, you're probably going to be confused when you start looking into how to OC this particular chip. It has a semi-unlocked multiplier, though. Ah, old school overclocking. I'm nostalgic.
I think there was a decent, simple guide on reddit a while back.
Oh, and...
Do you not realize that Haswell and socket 1150 were released 4 days ago?
lol, you are just obsessed with cas latency, aren't you? Even though you're probably going to have to relax your timings when you start messing with BCLK for your CPU overclock. Or run your RAM at something even lower than 1333.
Good.
And... even though the advantages of PCIe x16/x16 are negligible, and many people buy into X79/socket 2011 for the extra lanes needed for 3 or 4 cards, you've successfully made all of that completely moot by choosing a single 7970. Good job. (And no, buying a second card doesn't make it that much less pointless)
As a side note, since you seemed to have ignored the 1440p monitor route, what monitor are you planning to use?
Everyone has their preferences. I have no experience with this case, so I won't comment.
That's fine, though you could check to see if a Seasonic is on sale somewhere.
I'm gonna go drink, masturbate, and play video games now.
EDIT: lol, planning to possibly do 3-way crossfire, eh? I'm gonna piss myself laughing if you're planning to use a single 1080p monitor.
quote:
CPU: Intel Core i7-3820 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Asus P9X79 LE ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($224.99 @ Amazon)
That's a great price on the CPU, but you're buying into a processor line that's about to be refreshed. I know my posts about this shite have been long, but I swear to christ I kind of fricking know what I'm talking about.
But ultimately, you aren't gonna be displeased with the CPU for gaming, but it's a stupid use of money to buy THAT CPU for the LGA 2011 socket at this point in time. Kind of like buying a Ferrari with a Honda engine. It's just odd.
You will be rid of 2011 and that chipset before any of its features matter.
quote:
CPU Cooler: Corsair H110 94.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.99 @ Newegg)
I guess. It's only personal preference that I oppose closed loop systems in high-end builds, but I know it's "temporary." You'll get a decent overclock (4.4-4.6GHz), and that probably won't improve when you switch to a custom loop. These coolers are great though. Custom cooling gets expensive quickly.
Given the parts you originally selected, you're probably going to be confused when you start looking into how to OC this particular chip. It has a semi-unlocked multiplier, though. Ah, old school overclocking. I'm nostalgic.
I think there was a decent, simple guide on reddit a while back.
Oh, and...
quote:
I stuck with 2011 socket bc I would like to stretch out the mobo as long as possible.
Do you not realize that Haswell and socket 1150 were released 4 days ago?
quote:
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($134.99 @ Newegg)
lol, you are just obsessed with cas latency, aren't you? Even though you're probably going to have to relax your timings when you start messing with BCLK for your CPU overclock. Or run your RAM at something even lower than 1333.
quote:
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($214.99 @ Mac Mall)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Good.
quote:
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($379.99 @ Newegg)
And... even though the advantages of PCIe x16/x16 are negligible, and many people buy into X79/socket 2011 for the extra lanes needed for 3 or 4 cards, you've successfully made all of that completely moot by choosing a single 7970. Good job. (And no, buying a second card doesn't make it that much less pointless)
As a side note, since you seemed to have ignored the 1440p monitor route, what monitor are you planning to use?
quote:
Case: Corsair Obsidian Series 800D ATX Full Tower Case ($273.99 @ Amazon)
Everyone has their preferences. I have no experience with this case, so I won't comment.
quote:
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 1050W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($199.99 @ Newegg)
That's fine, though you could check to see if a Seasonic is on sale somewhere.
I'm gonna go drink, masturbate, and play video games now.
EDIT: lol, planning to possibly do 3-way crossfire, eh? I'm gonna piss myself laughing if you're planning to use a single 1080p monitor.
This post was edited on 6/6/13 at 11:53 pm
Posted on 6/7/13 at 1:08 am to ILikeLSUToo
Okay, on to a new topic.
I just had a few fingers of scotch, and sat down to install and run my newly torrented Dark Souls PTDE. It's one of those games I never got around to trying or really paid any attention to. I open up the controls settings, and my face froze in horror.
WTF is this? I get that it's obviously a laughable port job, but where in the fricking universe of keyboard gaming did these key bindings come from?
A quick google shows me that there are quite a few mods for this game focused solely on "fixing" controls. This is obviously something I won't be able to mentally deal with tonight, but any advice from those who played this on PC would be appreciated.
I just had a few fingers of scotch, and sat down to install and run my newly torrented Dark Souls PTDE. It's one of those games I never got around to trying or really paid any attention to. I open up the controls settings, and my face froze in horror.
WTF is this? I get that it's obviously a laughable port job, but where in the fricking universe of keyboard gaming did these key bindings come from?
A quick google shows me that there are quite a few mods for this game focused solely on "fixing" controls. This is obviously something I won't be able to mentally deal with tonight, but any advice from those who played this on PC would be appreciated.
This post was edited on 6/7/13 at 1:13 am
Posted on 6/7/13 at 7:33 am to stout
quote:
What cooler would you suggest?
The Swiftech kits are more expensive but VERY high quality and you can expand on a lot of them to make the loop grow over time.
Posted on 6/7/13 at 7:44 am to ILikeLSUToo
Hah, I'm sorry; it seems my ignorance has started to annoy you. I have, however; read your posts on p81 like 30 times. A lot of it went over my head, but last night I read alot about the timelines on these chipsets and sockets and stuff and your post is making alot more sense to me now. There was some confusion on my part between the 1155 and 1150 which is why your advice went over my head.
-I believe I will switch to socket 1150 instead of basing my 2011 selection on things I may or may not do.
-The reason I didnt include 1440p monitor is that I had only a single card in that build. I was looking at going 1440p when I got another card.
V.5
CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($279.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100 92.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($97.13 @ TigerDirect)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme6 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($214.99 @ Mac Mall)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($87.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card ($407.86 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair Obsidian Series 800D ATX Full Tower Case ($273.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 1050W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($179.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $1846.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-07 08:42 EDT-0400)
I would be buying another 7970 and a 1440p monitor asap with this build, or gear it more towards COH2 and get two 7950's right away and then buy the 1440p in a month.
Tigerdroppings is the only place where guys will get annoyed with a poster and then write a 500 word essay helping them
-I believe I will switch to socket 1150 instead of basing my 2011 selection on things I may or may not do.
-The reason I didnt include 1440p monitor is that I had only a single card in that build. I was looking at going 1440p when I got another card.
V.5
CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($279.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100 92.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($97.13 @ TigerDirect)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme6 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($214.99 @ Mac Mall)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($87.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card ($407.86 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair Obsidian Series 800D ATX Full Tower Case ($273.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 1050W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($179.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $1846.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-07 08:42 EDT-0400)
I would be buying another 7970 and a 1440p monitor asap with this build, or gear it more towards COH2 and get two 7950's right away and then buy the 1440p in a month.
Tigerdroppings is the only place where guys will get annoyed with a poster and then write a 500 word essay helping them

This post was edited on 6/7/13 at 7:49 am
Posted on 6/7/13 at 9:24 am to ILikeLSUToo
i like you
sold my 550ti and slapped a 650ti into my system. Scoring P4815 on 3dmark instead of p2800 now
Last Light is freakin gorgeous
sold my 550ti and slapped a 650ti into my system. Scoring P4815 on 3dmark instead of p2800 now

Last Light is freakin gorgeous
This post was edited on 6/7/13 at 9:25 am
Posted on 6/7/13 at 9:49 am to Pendulum
Do you have a microcenter near you? Those prices wont be as good if not.
Posted on 6/7/13 at 9:52 am to Mr Gardoki
there are two kinds of people in this world
1) people who live near a microcenter
2) people who are jealous of those of us who live near a microcenter
1) people who live near a microcenter
2) people who are jealous of those of us who live near a microcenter
Posted on 6/7/13 at 9:58 am to Mr Gardoki
Unfortunately, Nola to houston is my best option for micro center so no.
I have a price of 1916 total on pcpicker based on my zipcode but when I link the text, it swaps in microcenter prices for some reason.
ETA: Figured it out
CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($349.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100 92.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($97.13 @ TigerDirect)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme6 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($214.99 @ Mac Mall)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($87.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card ($427.86 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair Obsidian Series 800D ATX Full Tower Case ($273.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 1050W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1916.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-07 10:58 EDT-0400)
-I'm going to start price hunting for the PSU and CPU cooler.
I have a price of 1916 total on pcpicker based on my zipcode but when I link the text, it swaps in microcenter prices for some reason.
ETA: Figured it out
CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($349.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100 92.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($97.13 @ TigerDirect)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme6 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($214.99 @ Mac Mall)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($87.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card ($427.86 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair Obsidian Series 800D ATX Full Tower Case ($273.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 1050W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1916.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-07 10:58 EDT-0400)
-I'm going to start price hunting for the PSU and CPU cooler.
This post was edited on 6/7/13 at 10:05 am
Posted on 6/7/13 at 10:31 am to Pendulum
Btw I have not used a 7970 but I believe you can play at 1440p just fine with one.
Posted on 6/7/13 at 10:33 am to Pendulum
Posted on 6/7/13 at 12:20 pm to Mr Gardoki
quote:
Btw I have not used a 7970 but I believe you can play at 1440p just fine with one.
hmmmm,is there anyone in the COH2 beta that knows how demanding it is on high?
Over the next 4 months or so, I'll probably only play LoL, COH2, and whatever 4 free games I get with the gpu are (or maybe I will just pawn em).
If i could get away with it, I could get 1x7970 and 1440p monitor right off the bat
This post was edited on 6/7/13 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 6/7/13 at 12:22 pm to Pendulum
There's a microcenter in houston? I thought there were only Fry's. In that case, I might make the drive in September.
Very good. I only have one criticism. If that Sapphire is really $427, you should get the MSI Twin Frozr instead for $399. LINK
It is a much better card with a reference design PCB. It's also a GHz card. If you do go with a custom watercooling loop, you won't be able to add full-cover blocks to the Sapphire because it has a proprietary PCB, and that would be a deal breaker for me. You'll find that the MSI will probably overclock better (Disclaimer: I am making that assumption based on my experience with Sapphire cards of previous generations, such as the 5870 and the 6950, both of which had an inferior overclock and locked voltages.
Another $100 will get you the MSI Lightning, which is supposed to be one hell of an overclocker, but I think you'll be happy with the Twin Frozr and a full-cover block. The only reason I'm recommending the Twin Frozr is because MSI stopped selling the cheaper one with the reference cooler--- that was the one I bought back in the day. When I was ready to crossfire my 7970s, I went with the Twin Frozr as my second card. The PCBs are identical, and the clock speeds were different by only a few MHz. I love MSI cards. Not the best RMA service out there, but none of them are all that great. And Stout said a few days ago that Sapphire has a particularly horrible RMA service.
The more I type about this, the more strongly I feel that you need to swap out that card with the MSI. You'll be able to use a full cover block, have unlocked voltage (I'm not totally sure if the Sapphire is locked, but in generally they are at least semi-locked), better overclocks, you'll be overall much happier. And apparently it's cheaper.
You can do 60hz 1440p with one 7970. I did it for a while, but there were just a few graphic intense games where I wasn't getting a consistent 60+ fps at max settings (with MSAA off because it's not needed for 1440p and puts unnecessary load on the GPU). Sensible people might just dial down the settings a little more, but I decided to spend $500+ on a second card and a full-cover block. And now I'm thinking about going to 1600p.
BTW, the card comes with Crysis 3, which is one of those games that will kick your GPU's arse at 1440p. I can run a few games with crossfire disabled and tell you what kind of fps I'm getting. I don't have COH2 though, and I don't know if the beta is available to me anymore.
quote:
CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($349.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100 92.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($97.13 @ TigerDirect)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme6 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($214.99 @ Mac Mall)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($87.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card ($427.86 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair Obsidian Series 800D ATX Full Tower Case ($273.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 1050W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Very good. I only have one criticism. If that Sapphire is really $427, you should get the MSI Twin Frozr instead for $399. LINK
It is a much better card with a reference design PCB. It's also a GHz card. If you do go with a custom watercooling loop, you won't be able to add full-cover blocks to the Sapphire because it has a proprietary PCB, and that would be a deal breaker for me. You'll find that the MSI will probably overclock better (Disclaimer: I am making that assumption based on my experience with Sapphire cards of previous generations, such as the 5870 and the 6950, both of which had an inferior overclock and locked voltages.
Another $100 will get you the MSI Lightning, which is supposed to be one hell of an overclocker, but I think you'll be happy with the Twin Frozr and a full-cover block. The only reason I'm recommending the Twin Frozr is because MSI stopped selling the cheaper one with the reference cooler--- that was the one I bought back in the day. When I was ready to crossfire my 7970s, I went with the Twin Frozr as my second card. The PCBs are identical, and the clock speeds were different by only a few MHz. I love MSI cards. Not the best RMA service out there, but none of them are all that great. And Stout said a few days ago that Sapphire has a particularly horrible RMA service.
The more I type about this, the more strongly I feel that you need to swap out that card with the MSI. You'll be able to use a full cover block, have unlocked voltage (I'm not totally sure if the Sapphire is locked, but in generally they are at least semi-locked), better overclocks, you'll be overall much happier. And apparently it's cheaper.
You can do 60hz 1440p with one 7970. I did it for a while, but there were just a few graphic intense games where I wasn't getting a consistent 60+ fps at max settings (with MSAA off because it's not needed for 1440p and puts unnecessary load on the GPU). Sensible people might just dial down the settings a little more, but I decided to spend $500+ on a second card and a full-cover block. And now I'm thinking about going to 1600p.
BTW, the card comes with Crysis 3, which is one of those games that will kick your GPU's arse at 1440p. I can run a few games with crossfire disabled and tell you what kind of fps I'm getting. I don't have COH2 though, and I don't know if the beta is available to me anymore.
This post was edited on 6/7/13 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 6/7/13 at 12:31 pm to ILikeLSUToo
Site says that a micro station exists here:
Houston/West Loop
1717 West Loop Drive South
Houston, TX 77027
Yea, I dont know amd brands, If I'm starting with a single 7970, I will definitely push it. The compatibility with a full cover block is something I would have never found out through personal research, thanks for the tip.
Ok guys, I appreciate all the help and putting up with me. Now comes the fun part.
Houston/West Loop
1717 West Loop Drive South
Houston, TX 77027
Yea, I dont know amd brands, If I'm starting with a single 7970, I will definitely push it. The compatibility with a full cover block is something I would have never found out through personal research, thanks for the tip.
Ok guys, I appreciate all the help and putting up with me. Now comes the fun part.
Posted on 6/7/13 at 12:36 pm to Pendulum
FYI, in the future go to coolingconfigurator.com to check full cover block compatibility. It's a site for EK water blocks, but if EK doesn't have one for a particular card, then odds are nobody does. The full-cover blocks are generally made for reference PCBs only, but sometimes there are specialized ones (I think the lightning has its own full-cover block).
Posted on 6/7/13 at 12:52 pm to ILikeLSUToo
I like my sapphire card but the voltage was locked which I was able to get around. Also I didn't get a great overclock. I raised the voltage and it didn't help much. It is also a ghz edition so that may be why but I read about other better overclocks for the 7870 ghz than mine. That's just one card though so it's not a large sample size.
Posted on 6/7/13 at 1:04 pm to Mr Gardoki
I've had the same issue over clocking my 680s but it just might be that I suck at over clocking GPUs. 

Posted on 6/7/13 at 1:05 pm to Mr Gardoki
When I was running only one 7970, my MSI would run at 1300Mhz core and 1850Mhz Memory at 1.29v (water cooled of course). I think only the lightning can do better than that.
But, once I added my second card, I had to back off my overclocks on both. I wish I could find an informed technical explanation for why that is the case, but all I've ever seen is "Crossfired cards don't overclock as well as a single card." It could be my PSU is getting old and can't handle it. Could be my motherboard's ability to handle the current, and it could very well be the PCI bandwidth (I'm still running PCIe 2.0 x8/x8 on a z68 board).
But, once I added my second card, I had to back off my overclocks on both. I wish I could find an informed technical explanation for why that is the case, but all I've ever seen is "Crossfired cards don't overclock as well as a single card." It could be my PSU is getting old and can't handle it. Could be my motherboard's ability to handle the current, and it could very well be the PCI bandwidth (I'm still running PCIe 2.0 x8/x8 on a z68 board).
This post was edited on 6/7/13 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 6/7/13 at 1:13 pm to Mr Gardoki
n/m
This post was edited on 6/7/13 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 6/7/13 at 1:23 pm to Pendulum
ill test coh2 beta on high tonight
wasnt too demanding on my 550ti. should be breeze on my 650ti.
a 3gb card should wreck it.
coh2 isnt really a gfx intensive game anyways. well i guess if you have it up super high, max res, and have a 4 way chokepoint firefight going on complete with infanty, heavy armor, and artilettery and bombing strikes going off it could hiccup.
its fricking fun
wasnt too demanding on my 550ti. should be breeze on my 650ti.
a 3gb card should wreck it.
coh2 isnt really a gfx intensive game anyways. well i guess if you have it up super high, max res, and have a 4 way chokepoint firefight going on complete with infanty, heavy armor, and artilettery and bombing strikes going off it could hiccup.
its fricking fun

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