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Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:47 pm to bamabenny
I really don't know why Nvidia even released those cards if the gen over gen performance gains were going to be so incredibly bad. Just embarrassing.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:50 pm to The Dudes Rug
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Thanks! Now begins the research on the best mods for each game for the best experience. It’s a bit overwhelming lol
I recently posted my old ME:LE mod list, if that would help as a jumping off point for that game. Just scroll down: LINK
Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:50 pm to UltimateHog
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I really don't know why Nvidia even released those cards if the gen over gen performance gains were going to be so incredibly bad. Just embarrassing.
Money
But everything outside of the 5090 has retained their same, or even decreased, in MSRP.
Obviously the MSRP prices are a joke due to the severe supply and scalping issues, but theoretically this gen wouldn’t have been so bad if their was availability and Nvidia marketed it as more a refresh with enhanced software options. Like a 40 series + since they already refreshed with the supers already
Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:53 pm to LSUGent
Steve called it the 40 Series V3, perfect.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 2:07 pm to LSUGent
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Money But everything outside of the 5090 has retained their same, or even decreased, in MSRP. Obviously the MSRP prices are a joke due to the severe supply and scalping issues, but theoretically this gen wouldn’t have been so bad if their was availability and Nvidia marketed it as more a refresh with enhanced software options. Like a 40 series + since they already refreshed with the supers already
Yup. And unfortunately, it looks like AMD is doing roughly the same thing. Unless there are some massive RT numbers that come out tomorrow, it looks like the 9070xt is basically a 7090xt with a, what, $50 drop in MSRP? Though hopefully AMD has some surprises up their sleeve on that.
But if not, everything outside of the 5090 is basically just a rebrand of a last gen card with a bit of price shuffling.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 2:55 pm to Joshjrn
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Yup. And unfortunately, it looks like AMD is doing roughly the same thing. Unless there are some massive RT numbers that come out tomorrow, it looks like the 9070xt is basically a 7090xt with a, what, $50 drop in MSRP? Though hopefully AMD has some surprises up their sleeve on that.
The 9070XT is going to have 5070ti performance with RT performance of a 4070S and an upgraded upscaler for $600.... Also will represent the cheapest options for 16GB of VRAM, at least until the shitty 5060 series cards drop (I am not counting the A770
)Posted on 3/4/25 at 3:42 pm to LSUGent
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The 9070XT is going to have 5070ti performance with RT performance of a 4070S and an upgraded upscaler for $600.... Also will represent the cheapest options for 16GB of VRAM, at least until the shitty 5060 series cards drop (I am not counting the A770 )
I’m trying to figure out whether this was supposed to be agreeing with, or contradicting, what I said
Posted on 3/4/25 at 3:56 pm to Joshjrn
I am sorta disagreeing. A card that can match 5070ti/4080 performance and has decent RT ability and a nonshitty upscaler for $600 and 16GB vram makes it a really compelling option compared to Nvidias options. Especially if they can be had at actual MSRP and not this insane inflated markup.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 4:18 pm to LSUGent
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am sorta disagreeing. A card that can match 5070ti/4080 performance and has decent RT ability and a nonshitty upscaler for $600 and 16GB vram makes it a really compelling option compared to Nvidias options. Especially if they can be had at actual MSRP and not this insane inflated markup.
I have thoughts, but let’s put a pin in this until tomorrow so we have hard numbers (though I imagine we’ll need to wait about a week before we get reviews on the upgraded upscaling tech).
Posted on 3/4/25 at 4:18 pm to Joshjrn
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I forgot you play at potato settings
Yeah but frames go hard in the paint!
Posted on 3/4/25 at 4:20 pm to bamabenny
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Yeah but frames go hard in the paint!
Only when you’re online with the sweaties
Posted on 3/4/25 at 5:02 pm to LSUGent
My 4070 I bought for $450 sold for $670. 
Posted on 3/5/25 at 7:30 am to UltimateHog
Early leaks are within a few % of the 7900xtx at 1440
That’s a huge win
Edit: looks like it’s basically trading blows with the 4080S and 5070TI in straight raster. Tied up all day so can’t deep dive, but wonder what that % uplift would be over my 10gb 3080FE
That’s a huge win
Edit: looks like it’s basically trading blows with the 4080S and 5070TI in straight raster. Tied up all day so can’t deep dive, but wonder what that % uplift would be over my 10gb 3080FE
This post was edited on 3/5/25 at 8:18 am
Posted on 3/5/25 at 8:28 am to bamabenny
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Early leaks are within a few % of the 7900xtx at 1440
That’s a huge win
I don't necessarily love doing game averages, because that can get heavily skewed, but for the sake of coming in quickly:
Per HUB:
At 1440p, the 9070xt (119fps) is functionally identical to the 7900xt (117fps) , 5% slower than the 5070ti (126fps), and 12.5% slower than the 7900xtx (136fps).
At 4k, the 9700xt (74fps) is functionally equivalent to the 5070ti (75fps), 7% faster than the 7900xt (69fps), and 10% slower than the 7900xtx (82fps).
In RT 1440p, the 9700xt (68fps) is the functional equivalent of the 5070 (70fps), very significant upgrades over previous AMD cards at 31% better than the 7900xt (47fps) and 21% over the 7900xtx (61fps) while being equally outclassed at 21% by the 5070ti (86fps).
In RT 4k, the 9700xt (38fps) is again the functional equivalent of the 5070 (39fps), a 34% upgrade over the 7900xt (25fps) and a 21% upgrade over the 7900xtx (30fps) while again being significantly outclassed 25% by the 5070ti (51fps).
I'll leave this as raw data and then reply a bit later with thoughts.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 8:30 am to bamabenny
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Edit: looks like it’s basically trading blows with the 4080S and 5070TI in straight raster. Tied up all day so can’t deep dive, but wonder what that % uplift would be over my 10gb 3080FE
Per HUB's 1440p average, the 9070xt (119fps) would be a roughly 24% uplift over the 3080 (91fps). Though because you're fairly selective in what you play, it would be important to check those games individually.
ETA: And because I'm remembering you mentioned RT, while HUB doesn't have the 3080 on their 1440p RT chart, the 3080 is, generally speaking, nearly identical in performance to the 4070, which is on the chart at 61fps, making the 9700xt (68fps) about 10% faster in RT, but with the massive caveat I discuss below regarding upscaling.
This post was edited on 3/5/25 at 9:24 am
Posted on 3/5/25 at 9:04 am to Joshjrn
Based on the benchmarks available. The 9070XT does appear to be a good buy, but it’s really going to hinge on just how improved FSR 4 is. If it’s able to achieve similar visual quality to DLSS 3 then I think it makes the card the go to purchase at the price point for 1440p gamers.
Unless you play Final Fantasy XIV
That game specifically must be something related to drivers.
Unless you play Final Fantasy XIV
That game specifically must be something related to drivers.
This post was edited on 3/5/25 at 9:10 am
Posted on 3/5/25 at 9:14 am to LSUGent
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Based on the benchmarks available. The 9070XT does appear to be a good buy, but it’s really going to hinge on just how improved FSR 4 is. If it’s able to achieve similar visual quality to DLSS 3 then I think it makes the card the go to purchase at the price point for 1440p gamers.
I've only had time to skim a couple of videos, and not from anyone I implicitly trust, but my takeaway is that is going to make the math extremely complicated. In short, what I'm hearing is:
1. FSR4 is just as good, if not very slightly better, than the DLSS CNN model (what most people are calling DLSS3, which isn't technically accurate, but I understand the confusion).
2. The DLSS Transformer model (what people are calling DLSS4) is significantly better than FSR4.
That's not the complicated part. This is the complicated part:
3. FSR4 and DLSS Transformer are roughly equal in computation costs (read: all things equal, they will have roughly the same improvement in FPS).
4. DLSS CNN is significantly computationally lighter than both FSR4 and DLSS Transformer. Like, 15% performance boost lighter.
In short, assuming what I'm hearing is accurate, the visually similar FSR4/DLSS CNN have very different performance numbers and the performatively similar FSR4/DLSS Transformer have very different visual qualities. Making apples to apples comparisons complicated as shite without giving lengthy explanations.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:18 am to Joshjrn
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:26 am to LSUGent
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LSUGent
Actually one of the two videos I skimmed through to come to the conclusions I did above.
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