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Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 10/14/16 at 2:32 pm to
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they win one early BO1 against Samsung
Samsung wins one BO1 against TSM and all of a sudden the gap isn't closing anymore? Same logic. You can't even counter without contradicting yourself within the same post.
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 10/14/16 at 2:32 pm to
They went 5-1 and won the group.

Now 8-1 in the tournament.

Own up to your failures instead of making excuses over and over and over. TSM sucked. NA sucked.

C9 getting out of the easiest group to get 3-0'd in 3 absolute slaughters doesn't mean NA wasn't a complete failure yet again.
This post was edited on 10/14/16 at 2:34 pm
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 10/14/16 at 2:34 pm to
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C9 getting out of the easiest group
C9 was in Group A?
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 10/14/16 at 2:35 pm to
LUL
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 10/14/16 at 2:35 pm to
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LUL
About what all of your posts amount to.
This post was edited on 10/14/16 at 2:36 pm
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 10/14/16 at 2:37 pm to
Yet I was right again and you were wrong again.

Ho hum Ho hum.

Just another day.
This post was edited on 10/14/16 at 2:37 pm
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 10/14/16 at 2:42 pm to
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Yet I was right again and you were wrong again.
Where? You were fully aboard the NA train after week 1. Then they lose and all of a sudden you're a cynical NA anti-fan again. Why don't you go ahead and post your pick'em?
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 10/14/16 at 2:45 pm to
Now it's just sad.

And it's already been posted, go find it I'm on mobile.
This post was edited on 10/14/16 at 2:46 pm
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 10/14/16 at 2:46 pm to
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Now it's just sad.
Post your pick'em? Since, you know, you were so right and all.
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 10/14/16 at 2:52 pm to
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You were fully aboard the NA train after week 1. Then they lose and all of a sudden you're a cynical NA anti-fan again


Also want to point out the incredible ignorance of this post.

See, some people support teams or regions and went them to win, but they are smart and don't blindly pick them to win against anyone just because they're a fan. It's called being rational.

So yes, I supported NA and hoped they'd get every team out of groups and win Worlds.

How you think that translates to picking any of them to actually do that, is beyond me.

Be like picking Arkansas to beat Alabama because I'm a big Arkansas fan. No, not how it works. Still want them to win though.

Can't believe I just had to explain how being a fan works.
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 10/14/16 at 2:56 pm to
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but they are smart and don't blindly pick them to win against anyone just because they're a fan.
Looks like literally every media outlet that covered League this year is a bunch of TSM fans, then. Because they ALL had them advancing out of the group. Along with people like Monte Cristo, every Riot analyst, every pro player interviewed, etc. It wasn't "blind" to pick TSM to advance. They were legitimately good and underperformed in week 2.
This post was edited on 10/14/16 at 2:57 pm
Posted by Greace
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Posted on 10/14/16 at 2:58 pm to
Not really sure how the gap is growing when its clearly not.
2015
15-3 Korea
6-12 NA
8-10 Chinese

2016
14-4 Korea
9-9 NA
9-9 Chinese
Posted by BaddestAndvari
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Posted on 10/14/16 at 3:04 pm to
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Not really sure how the gap is growing when its clearly not.
2015
15-3 Korea
6-12 NA
8-10 Chinese

2016
14-4 Korea
9-9 NA
9-9 Chinese


Riot / lol esports / whoever the frick does this stuff... I really hope they change the format next year at least a little... if nothing else I think the group stage should be 3 weeks instead of 2, I don't understand how 2 weeks can decided half of the opponents to be kicked out. Had it gone to 3 weeks - I think TSM ends up getting out of groups, possibly even CLG, but c9 doesn't sniff getting out of groups.

I don't know, I am really getting on the "League doesn't play enough games in their World's Championship" bandwagon

As for how each group is picked... eh, TSM just really really under-performed - like straight up shite the bed in week 2, CLG was just CLG, and it's pretty obvious that c9 was just lucky enough to be in the 2nd easiest group. I don't think the way the group stages are picked should be altered, it's not that bad.
Posted by dcrews
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Posted on 10/14/16 at 3:05 pm to
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Not really sure how the gap is growing when its clearly not.
2015
15-3 Korea
6-12 NA
8-10 Chinese

2016
14-4 Korea
9-9 NA
9-9 Chinese


Apparently NA has to win worlds by having 2 of the region's teams in the finals and winning every game against other regions along the way.

No one is saying NA is close to passing Korea, not by a long shot, but to say they are getting worse comparatively to international teams is nonsense.

The stereotypical Korea dick sucking has gotten old. People think that just because they're Korea that everyone else isn't improving. Not sure how anyone can objectively say NA hasn't improved internationally.
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 10/14/16 at 3:09 pm to
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I really hope they change the format next year at least a little
They talked about it on SI. How it's ridiculous that the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP is now the ONLY tournament/league that still does Bo1's since NA and EU have gone to Bo3 and Bo2 respectively. It's awful for League.
This post was edited on 10/14/16 at 3:11 pm
Posted by dcrews
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Posted on 10/14/16 at 3:09 pm to
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TSM just really really under-performed


In that 2nd round of games, they absolutely did.

I'd like to see more international tournaments, personally.

I'd also like to see, as Andvari said, longer group stages. It's more games for fans, and the games are more enjoyable as you can watch teams adapt on the fly and make adjustments to truly show their potential.

Whereas in a Bo1, you don't get to see that from teams.

It is what it is. If riot keeps the Bo1 format for groups, then teams will just have to learn to play it that way. But I think everyone would be fine with Bo3 being the format going forward, because you get more games.

Posted by Greace
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Posted on 10/14/16 at 3:11 pm to
The Internationals layout is alot better. And it lasts almost the same amount of time. 2 big groups everybody plays everybody twice in bo 2. So 4 total games against each team and then groups split into bracket play with the top 4 teams in each group going into the upper and the bottom 4 going into losers and they are almost all bo3s with exception to the first round of losers and the Grand finals(bo5)
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 10/14/16 at 3:25 pm to
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Looks like literally every media outlet that covered League this year is a bunch of TSM fans, then. Because they ALL had them advancing out of the group. Along with people like Monte Cristo, every Riot analyst, every pro player interviewed, etc. It wasn't "blind" to pick TSM to advance. They were legitimately good and underperformed in week 2.


That's all fine and dandy but you miss on one major point, analyst/caster/pro predictions for League are absolutely terrible and more often times wrong than they are right. The scene still has terrible media for the most part, so saying what those guys predicted doesn't really mean anything at all other than lol they were all wrong again.

And I never said it was or wasn't blind to pick TSM to advance, not even about that, it's about you making excuses every time TSM fails, literally any excuse possible doesn't matter what it is you will find it and use it. You TRASHED Samsung after 1 single game to open the group, you TRASHED RNG and CHINA at the same time. And they both came back to bite you in the arse.

You love to blast other regions and other teams and when TSM underperforms it's every excuse imaginable.

Week 1 of Worlds is probably the dumbest time to say something about the teams, the biggest change in the whole Tournament is from Week 1 to Week 2 where the teams get almost a week to adapt to the meta and play styles of the teams. That's when the teams make the biggest changes and the best move on. Samsung clearly adapted well and have rolled off 8 straight wins since you trashed them.

Hell, a lot of "analysts/pros" think Samsung are currently the favorite to win the whole thing.
This post was edited on 10/14/16 at 3:28 pm
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 10/14/16 at 3:37 pm to
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The scene still has terrible media
Yet it's ok for you to post an ESPN article and use that as your basis for "the gap isn't closing"? You are the king of contradictions.

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it's about you making excuses every time TSM fails, literally any excuse possible doesn't matter what it is you will find it and use it.
Where's my excuse? I said they underperformed. My only issue with you is you going full retard by bashing NA completely saying they "sucked" like usual. Anyone with eyes could see that NA performed WAY better across the board.

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you TRASHED RNG and CHINA at the same time. And they both came back to bite you in the arse.
RNG was arse in China's playoffs. Everyone knew it. Everyone said it. They were a team with "potential" that never lived up to it. Even Chinese casters were blown away at how they played in groups, specifically against TSM. EDG didn't even win their own group and got beat out by H2frickingK. My thoughts on China as a whole still stand It's a two team region. RNG looks like they finally found some kind of macro game sense. That doesn't make the fact that they had to go 5 games to advance passed fricking iMay or the fact that they got 3-0'd by EDG in the finals any less of a relevant point to doubt them coming into the tournament. Of course I trashed Samsung after week 1. They didn't just lose to TSM. They got their asses handed to them 18-1.
This post was edited on 10/14/16 at 3:44 pm
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 10/14/16 at 3:46 pm to
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Where's my excuse? I said they underperformed. My only issue with you is you going full retard by bashing NA completely saying they "sucked" like usual. Anyone with eyes could see that NA performed WAY better across the board.



Not really, maybe in your biased opinion, sure as hell not mine. All that hype to get 1 team of Groups, and probably the worst team of the 3 there (debatable with CLG). I said multiple times on here before Worlds started that with all this hype it's a failure for NA if they only get a single team out of Groups and that team gets stomped. Exactly what happened.

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RNG was arse in China's playoffs. Everyone knew it. Everyone said it. They were a team with "potential" that never lived up to it. Even Chinese casters were blown away at how they played in groups, specifically against TSM. EDG didn't even win their own group and got beat out by H2frickingK. My thoughts on China as a whole still stand It's a two team region. RNG looks like they finally found some kind of macro game sense.



Correct, but still foolish to trash them first day of Worlds like you did. Speaking of contradiction, you want BO2's or BO3's for Worlds, but you were the only one on this board grossly overreacting to Week 1 BO1 results trashing Samsung, RNG, EDG, etc. I think you even trashed ROX a bit after they lost as well. I don't see how you can bitch that hard about BO1's sucking after the serious overreactions you had from them. TSM would be lucky to win a single game in a BO5 against any of the 3 Korean teams. That 18-1 was a prime example of why BO1's suck and aren't real indicators of how good a team is, as the results after that game speak for themselves (8 straight W's coasting to the Semis).
This post was edited on 10/14/16 at 3:50 pm
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