re: Nvidia Unveils The New GTX 680

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I spoke with my friend, who works at Intel, about their major competitors and he mentioned how Intel is playing catch up with Microsoft.

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Maybe you were drunk when you talked to him? Either that or he's yanking your chain. Microsoft doesn't make processors, RAM, hard drives, motherboards, video cards, etc. Neither does Google. Neither does Apple.

Intel makes only the the most integrated video processors. "Integrated" means that it's a literal part of the motherboard. It also means they don't make "dedicated" video cards (the kind you can buy and install without the need of a soldering iron).

If you google Intel video cards, the best you'll find is crap-tastic, old AGP cards. Or maybe it's just Google trying to edge Intel out of the market so their super-special Google processors sell better.

I don't think you're trolling, I think you're one of those folks that have heard a few words and phrases then like bandying them about like you know what they mean when you really don't.

Example:

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Also Intel graphics are currently too of the line. While your post shows the cuda cores of Nvidia being large, I guarantee you intl has a lot more. Also, I think Intel can do it much larger than 28 m.

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Please explain to the class:
A. What nm stands for
B. Why you think "28 m" cores are "large"
C. Why you think cores larger than "28 m" are better/Why you think Intel would want to make cores larger than "28 m"
D. Where to find a listing of new Intel consumer, (even high-end consumer) dedicated video cards
E. Where on the Intel website can I find their list of dedicated video cards
F. How large of a market share does Intel have in the dedicated video card market

Aaaaaand.... GO!

I'll play your game...

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A. What nm stands for

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nm stands for nan-o-meter. A unit of measurement from the metric system. It measures distance. In the USA, we use feet for distance.

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B. Why you think "28 m" cores are "large"

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28 m stands for 28 micro-meters. This, like nan-o-meter, is a metric system unit for measurement. It is a bit larger than nm.

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C. Why you think cores larger than "28 m" are better/Why you think Intel would want to make cores larger than "28 m"

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Basically, Intel's technology can hold more data. This is one reason why they are competitive. Intel's manufacturing technology is probably the best in the world.

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D. Where to find a listing of new Intel consumer, (even high-end consumer) dedicated video cards

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LINK

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E. Where on the Intel website can I find their list of dedicated video cards

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Intel just manufacture's the chips. Other companies, like AMD, take them and place them on boards. These can be found on any site like Tom's Hardware or New Egg (my personal fav site).

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F. How large of a market share does Intel have in the dedicated video card market

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This graph is a little misleading, but I believe ATI and Intel are the same, so just add the two together.
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Other companies, like AMD, take them and place them on boards

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Or, like Intel, you can just buy the chip. AMD and Intel, if they aren't the only two companies making chips, are the biggest.

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but I believe ATI and Intel are the same

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Same what? ATI is owned by AMD...

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A. What nm stands for

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nm stands for nan-o-meter. A unit of measurement from the metric system. It measures distance. In the USA, we use feet for distance.

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Hooray for Google search (as opposed to their "Google CPUs", right?)

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B. Why you think "28 m" cores are "large"

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28 m stands for 28 micro-meters. This, like nan-o-meter, is a metric system unit for measurement. It is a bit larger than nm.

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2x for the "Google CPU"!

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C. Why you think cores larger than "28 m" are better/Why you think Intel would want to make cores larger than "28 m"

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Basically, Intel's technology can hold more data. This is one reason why they are competitive. Intel's manufacturing technology is probably the best in the world.

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Right, because the processor cores hold data. That's what they do. Yup.

A core is the logic processing unit on a processor and it's responsible for grinding through data so that a computer can function. A dual-core processor has two logic processors and a quad core has four.

While the chip itself has cache (memory), you once again mixed your terminology thus my belief that you only know snips and phrases but not what they really mean.

You also fail to understand that smaller, more efficient cores = more room on the chip of equivalent size for more data-crunching horsepower (cores, cache or both). Use that Google CPU search to look at the size of cores over the past 20 years (L1 was introduced on the 80486 in 1989) and tell me if they have gotten bigger or smaller.

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D. Where to find a listing of new Intel consumer, (even high-end consumer) dedicated video cards

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LINK

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So an 8meg AGP card is new and/or high end? Pardon me for a moment, won't you?


*GASP!*


Good stuff!

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E. Where on the Intel website can I find their list of dedicated video cards

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Intel just manufacture's the chips. Other companies, like AMD, take them and place them on boards. These can be found on any site like Tom's Hardware or New Egg (my personal fav site).

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Hold on a second. Your first entry into this thread was

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intel graphics > ATI graphics > Nvidia graphics.

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so now you're saying Intel DOESN'T make graphics cards? You see, I'm going on the assumption being that since you compared them to Nvidia and ATI that you must be comparing cards because if you were comparing graphics chips... well that's just silly in a thread about graphics CARDS. You might as well be comparing apples and helicopters.

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F. How large of a market share does Intel have in the dedicated video card market

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This graph is a little misleading, but I believe ATI and Intel are the same, so just add the two together.
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How the bleeding Helsinki, Finland are ATI & Intel the same?? As HeadChange mentioned, maybe you are thinking of AMD instead of ATI? That's the only thing that makes even remote sense (and furthers my opinion of your knowledge on this).

I guess I should have been more clear about what I was wanting in the card/marketshare question. Your graph goes by use rather than recent sales and thus it includes things like VIA (which hasn't released a new card since 2009). Considering that the most advanced dedicated video that Intel has (per your link) is AGP, it's a no-brainer that those cards listed in the graph are ancient (by card standards).

The overall driving point though was to show you that Intel doesn't make graphics that compete with Nvidia or ATI. They make integrated video that's passable for a movie on a laptop, but nothing for serious gaming, heavy video editing or graphics manipulation.

Now that we've cleared that up, how many cpu's do Apple, Microsoft and Google make/sell in a year?

Thanks for taking my call, I'll hang up and listen to your response.

the problem is you come in here with outlandish statements that have little basis on what was being discussed.

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You just need to look at android phones and windows phones to answer your question.

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They develop the software/firmware for the phones but the hardware comes from a 3rd party (like Motorla, for example).

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Also, I don't see what's wrong with using the Internet to learn about computers. Most people's knowledge base today comes from the Internet.

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The problem is that you came here posting like you knew what you were talking about, which you clearly do not. When I called you out on it you had to scramble to Google to prove your "knowledge" and even then didn't quite get it all correct. And you have yet to even admit it.

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There's nothing a formal education would give you that the Internet wouldn't, except for a piece of paper. Cell phone apps show that.

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I have an app called "Outlook" and it told me that a Nigerian prince wants me to hold a few tens of millions of dollars for him. All I need to do is send him my banking information. W00T!

As to the formal education... Not sure where that came from but I have a pretty good idea.

I was into computers before I went to school for it. Even then I knew more about this than what you've shown your current knowledge level to be. In a "formal education" environment you have immediate access to tutors as well as being hands-on instructed. The immediate back-and-forth feedback in classroom is not something you can get from searching the web and watching videos on youtube.

Now, stop deflecting and get back to the point: admit you just know a little bit and tried to pass yourself off as knowing more than you do.

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how does my brand new $200 motherboard not have an AGP 4x slot for my brand new top of the line Intel 8MB chip!??

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Be glad you didn't wait. That level of awe-inspiring video power was never meant for the likes of mere mortals. Playing a game with an 8meg AGP card would make your face melt like a Nazi looking at the Ark of the Covenant.



It's just too much awesomeness.

I had a friend who knew a guy that heard about some dude that had a system like that and played Minecraft on it. It looked so real that he still limps after thinking he lost a leg in a battle.

Don't F with the AGP.