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re: Lost Ark
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:04 pm to Blitzed
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:04 pm to Blitzed
It would bother me if it actually boosted you to level cap. Boosting to the min level that actually lets you play the relevant starting content for a full game expansion is fine with me. The current boost would get you to lv 80, people have been level 80 since 2019. Endwalker starts on 80 and ends on 90.
This post was edited on 2/11/22 at 3:07 pm
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Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:07 pm to Drewbie
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It may not happen for a while if they run into the same issues Square Enix did. There may just not be enough servers out there right now.
I mean jesus christ the publisher is Amazon... You think they'd have the ability to spin up some more servers (which they already did during prelaunch).
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:08 pm to Blitzed
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My point is merely that paid content outside of subs can exist in the MMO world and it still be a good game.
Like I said it has it's place in rare exceptions but must have restrictions and be used properly to minimize it's negative effects.
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I just really look at F2P MMO’s with a lot of skepticism. Because at the end of they day...it’s business.
F2P is just fricked from the get go because you know it's going to be P2W. It wouldn't be free otherwise. For any MMO to have a chance at being a playable game past the first few months it has to be sub based. Even then they usually can't help themselves.
Still can be good fun for a tourist stopping by for a month or so. Just have to accept it for what it is.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:15 pm to Blitzed
quote:Paying to take away content from yourself is extremely stupid to me, especially in FF where it's so easy for players to play with each other regardless of difference in level what with level syncing and immediate job switching. The "I just want to play with my friends" excuse doesn't work in FF. Then you inevitably get to the point where the people who paid to skip 4 expansions finish up the current content in a month then complain about no content.
I think it is a healthier way to keep newer players who want to be caught up with everyone else.
I think the need to keep new players caught up with the rest of the playerbase was a much more real issue in WoW because they left their older content for dead as the game moved on. FF doesn't have that problem, IMO.
FF does a fantastic job of keeping players cycling through older content through in-game reward structure. I didn't boost and never once felt like I was in no-man's land with no one to help with content or super long wait times for questing dungeons. FF has already remedied these issues through things like tomes and extra rewards for experienced players going through lower leveled content.
On a personal note, I'm just not sure why you'd even want to skip any FF expansions. They're all amazing to play through. It's not like sleepwalking through an empty Northrend while the rest of the world is in the Shadowlands. It's still a very vivid MMO experience from level 1 to max.
IMO the only reason anyone has to boost in FF is purely because they didn't want to invest the time to get where they wanted to be. FF is probably the most new player friendly MMO on the market.
This post was edited on 2/11/22 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:16 pm to bubbaprohn
quote:Well supposedly Square Enix was willing to throw wads of cash for servers but there literally just weren't any. The chip shortage was preventing the demand from being met.
I mean jesus christ the publisher is Amazon... You think they'd have the ability to spin up some more servers (which they already did during prelaunch).
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:26 pm to Drewbie
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Paying to take away content from yourself is extremely stupid to me, especially in FF where it's so easy for players to play with each other regardless of difference in level what with level syncing and immediate job switching. The "I just want to play with my friends" excuse doesn't work in FF. Then you inevitably get to the point where the people who paid to skip 4 expansions finish up the current content in a month then complain about no content.
Does any of this impact your experience in the game?
It doesn’t me for. It’s why I don’t have a problem. I’d only care if I felt it was damaging to the game and at the end of the day you and I both know it’s not damaging to the game. Not at this point.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:33 pm to Blitzed
quote:Take a look at what WoW was and what it is now and you tell me.
Does any of this impact your experience in the game?
Funneling everyone into the same endgame content is not good. All you do is shoehorn yourself into having to provide a frickton of dailies that just end up feeling like chores to keep your players busy. You WANT an MMO playerbase spread out throughout all of the content. That's what makes it full. Kevin Jordan gave some great insight along those lines a while back. If I can find the video I'll post it.
This post was edited on 2/11/22 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:36 pm to Drewbie
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Funneling everyone into the same endgame content is not good. All you do is shoehorn yourself into having to provide a frickton of dailies that just end up feeling like chores to keep your players busy. You WANT an MMO playerbase spread out throughout all of the content. That's what makes it full. Kevin Jordan gave some great insight along those lines a while back. If I can find the video I'll post it.
Didnt you just say FF did a good job at keeping old content relevant? Cuz I agree with that statement and don’t see why that would change. So I’ll ask again. Has it ruined your experience in the game at all to this point?
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:46 pm to Blitzed
FF is the exception to the rule, which is why I was specifically referencing FF and explicitly used WoW as example of the opposite.
Yes, it among other things has already ruined my gaming experience in WoW to the point of quitting.
FF has a community that actively discourages people from boosting or skipping story at all so I'm not sure what you're going for here. I'd wager the number of boosters in FF is MUCH lower than those in WoW.
It's not just about my specific experience. It's about the intrinsic value of the accomplishments within the game. The ultimate investment in an MMO is time. The whole basis of the genre is the more time you put in, the more you'll get out of it. Once you start trading that for money, you're already giving advantages. Thus the pay2win aspect of boosting. The time you should have spent leveling/doing story quests is now spent gaining power in some other way. The player who did not buy the boost was not afforded that luxury.
It's also even worse specifically within FF given the fact that all progress is shared on one character. You don't even have the alt excuse.
Point being if you're paying to skip FF, it's nothing but a personal choice to avoid the time investment required for the rewards you want. The game in no way requires you to boost to have fun at any point.
Yes, it among other things has already ruined my gaming experience in WoW to the point of quitting.
FF has a community that actively discourages people from boosting or skipping story at all so I'm not sure what you're going for here. I'd wager the number of boosters in FF is MUCH lower than those in WoW.
quote:Other than the aforementioned developers making leveling intentionally bad and boring to incentivize boost sales?
So I’ll ask again. Has it ruined your experience in the game at all to this point?
It's not just about my specific experience. It's about the intrinsic value of the accomplishments within the game. The ultimate investment in an MMO is time. The whole basis of the genre is the more time you put in, the more you'll get out of it. Once you start trading that for money, you're already giving advantages. Thus the pay2win aspect of boosting. The time you should have spent leveling/doing story quests is now spent gaining power in some other way. The player who did not buy the boost was not afforded that luxury.
It's also even worse specifically within FF given the fact that all progress is shared on one character. You don't even have the alt excuse.
Point being if you're paying to skip FF, it's nothing but a personal choice to avoid the time investment required for the rewards you want. The game in no way requires you to boost to have fun at any point.
This post was edited on 2/11/22 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:56 pm to Drewbie
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The ultimate investment in an MMO is time.
Right. You can story skip and then sub for 10 years after and that be considered a lot of time.
I skipped all of the story to rush to end game and stayed subbed to the game since it release. I am not lazy. That experience was not lazy and I invested a lot of hours.
You do not have to enjoy the story to enjoy the game. It’s optional. The game has more to offer than that and you know that. It’s what makes it great.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:57 pm to Blitzed
quote:No one said that. But paying extra to have the game play itself for you is lazy. No matter how much you try to spin it. As I said before, you made a personal choice to avoid the time investment required for the rewards you wanted.
You do not have to enjoy the story to enjoy the game. It’s optional.
This post was edited on 2/11/22 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 2/11/22 at 4:06 pm to Drewbie
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No one said that. But paying extra to have the game play itself for you is lazy. No matter how much you try to spin it.
Not necessarily. Not everyone cares about story. You HAVE to do story to play content. But you HAVE the option to also skip that. You just gatta pay.
The fact I would ever get upset about that or anyone doing that would be a disappointment in myself. Especially considering how little it impacts the over all game.
A level skip certainly is lazy. But again. It doesn’t impact my over all experience in the game...it’s actually enhanced it the one time I used it.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 4:17 pm to Blitzed
quote:This literally doesn't matter. You're skipping gameplay. The story could be dogshit and it wouldn't matter because you're still skipping massive chunks of GAMEPLAY. Dozens of dungeons, raids, special encounters, etc. Literally hundreds of hours of gameplay you never engaged with.
Not everyone cares about story.
quote:You not being able to critically think about game design beyond "well it doesn't make me do more damage to other players so it must not be bad." isn't really much of a leg to stand on, though.
The fact I would ever get upset about that or anyone doing that would be a disappointment in myself. Especially considering how little it impacts the over all game.
quote:I would argue the story skip is even lazier considering it actually completes hundreds of quests for you.
A level skip certainly is lazy.
quote:Yeah, jumping a job from 1-80 immediately definitely didn't impact your game experience at all. Lots of people wake up to randomly maxed out jobs.
But again. It doesn’t impact my over all experience in the game.
You're paying a game more money to avoid the effort of playing a video game. I'll just leave it there.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 4:26 pm to Drewbie
All I see is a game that lets you play how you want to play without affecting other players in a negative way. Well other than your feelings.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 4:33 pm to Blitzed
You're right. Boosts are great and you're totally not lazy for paying extra money to avoid playing a video game.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 4:33 pm to Drewbie
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Yeah, jumping a job from 1-80 immediately definitely didn't impact your game experience at all. Lots of people wake up to randomly maxed out jobs.
Once again you cannot randomly max out your job level. Or just start at end game.
You can only boost to the starting level of the expansion.
It starts you at the end of 3 year old content.
This post was edited on 2/11/22 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 2/11/22 at 4:38 pm to Mystery
quote:I just said a random level. The fact you think having to gain 10 levels makes the boost fair in some way is hilarious.
Once again you cannot randomly max out your job level. Or just start at end game.
You can only boost to the starting level of the expansion.
quote:And? The content is still relevant and active.
It starts you at the end of 3 year old content.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 4:43 pm to Drewbie
And nothing. I don't really care how you feel about it one way or the other.
I am just correcting you on stating things that are not true. You can never "randomly max out your job level" in that game.
I am just correcting you on stating things that are not true. You can never "randomly max out your job level" in that game.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 4:43 pm to Drewbie
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You're right. Boosts are great and you're totally not lazy for paying extra money to avoid playing a video game.
Lol you are not avoiding the game. You are avoiding certain parts of the game.
How many people boost to play the latest content and then stay subbed?
How many boost to play the latest content and hate it?
While we don’t know the answers to those questions..we do know....it’s doesn’t impact you or the overall quality of the game.
You are mad people aren’t playing the game you how you want it to be played. You were the worst kind of kid in the neighborhood.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 4:43 pm to Mystery
quote:Yeah you can. At the end of expansions the level boost goes up to max level before new expansion release. Same with WoW.
You can never "randomly max out your job level" in that game.
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