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re: GTA VI Pre Orders Start June 25th, Standard Edition $80, Ultimate $100
Posted on 9/9/26 at 9:06 am to BurningHeart
Posted on 9/9/26 at 9:06 am to BurningHeart
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You dont read well
Oh? Apparently you missed it.
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The left wasn't using the term "woke" then and media companies weren't trying to push DEI on everyone.
Posted on 9/9/26 at 9:08 am to sicboy
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It was SJW's back then.
This term also did not exist when San Andreas was released. Anyone claiming there were complaints about San Andreas having a black protagonist is simply lying.
The reasonable and completely understandable complaints about destroying video games/movies/etc by trying to attract a "modern audience" via DEI, or whatever else you want to call it, started because of practices from media companies, not out of any misplaced understanding of what was happening at any given time.
This post was edited on 9/9/26 at 9:10 am
Posted on 9/9/26 at 9:25 am to sicboy
It blows my mind that people still deny that sometime in the early 2010s there began a deliberate campaign to infiltrate the video game industry using HR to filter new hires making sure they hold the cultural sensibilities sought after while at the same time creating an increasingly hostile work space to anyone they deemed wasn’t progressive socialist enough and at some companies just white men in general.
You can literally see this happening in real time as the quality of the games in the AAA industry further began to decline in quality and stagnate in innovation as the people who built the video game industry that they stole were all pushed out.
The idea I’ve seen some people put forth that video games in western AAA today are littered generally with obnoxious politics is because conservatives can’t make art and don’t know how to make games is insane revisionist history.
Who do you (not singling you out using you as a generalist term) think built the video game industry? It was the chuds. Progressives who have an interest in following the Gramschi model realized way too late the important of video games as medium unlike things such as movies or books so they were forced to move too fast and too sloppy making it way more obvious in video games than other institutions.
The pendulum is swinging back, and this isn’t to say we don’t get good games, we do. We still get some amazing games but we also have way more shitty games than ever and AAA games are more homogeneous than ever because again, they pushed out all the most talented people who were white men and even some women like Amy Henning, so now they are basically left with people who can barely make games so they’re forced to use Unreal Engine 5 further making all their slop feel the same.
Again, the tide is turning though. All of these layoffs are going to help bring the industry to a more sustainable size and the explosion in very high quality AA and indie games at the same China and Korea are entering as players in prestige single player adventure games is eventually one way or another going to force western AAA and some Japanese studios to actually make good games again.
You can literally see this happening in real time as the quality of the games in the AAA industry further began to decline in quality and stagnate in innovation as the people who built the video game industry that they stole were all pushed out.
The idea I’ve seen some people put forth that video games in western AAA today are littered generally with obnoxious politics is because conservatives can’t make art and don’t know how to make games is insane revisionist history.
Who do you (not singling you out using you as a generalist term) think built the video game industry? It was the chuds. Progressives who have an interest in following the Gramschi model realized way too late the important of video games as medium unlike things such as movies or books so they were forced to move too fast and too sloppy making it way more obvious in video games than other institutions.
The pendulum is swinging back, and this isn’t to say we don’t get good games, we do. We still get some amazing games but we also have way more shitty games than ever and AAA games are more homogeneous than ever because again, they pushed out all the most talented people who were white men and even some women like Amy Henning, so now they are basically left with people who can barely make games so they’re forced to use Unreal Engine 5 further making all their slop feel the same.
Again, the tide is turning though. All of these layoffs are going to help bring the industry to a more sustainable size and the explosion in very high quality AA and indie games at the same China and Korea are entering as players in prestige single player adventure games is eventually one way or another going to force western AAA and some Japanese studios to actually make good games again.
This post was edited on 9/9/26 at 9:27 am
Posted on 9/9/26 at 9:34 am to td01241
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It blows my mind that people still deny that sometime in the early 2010s there began a deliberate campaign to infiltrate the video game industry using HR to filter new hires making sure they hold the cultural sensibilities sought after while at the same time creating an increasingly hostile work space to anyone they deemed wasn’t progressive socialist enough and at some companies just white men in general.
"Gamergate" was in 2014, which is when this entire backlash started. There was no widespread outrage about San Andreas having a black protagonist due to anything approaching "woke ideology" because media simply wasn't doing anything like that at the time.
It's a complete lie that simply cannot be supported with any evidence.
In fact, the main criticisms again San Andreas at the time mirror the garbage "woke" arguments we see today, not the opposite. San Andreas was widely supported by actual gamers, and widely opposed by the people infesting the gaming industry today. It's even shown on the wikipedia page.
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Some critics and scholars criticised the game for perpetuating racial stereotypes.[102][103][104][105] Seeing Black's Esther Iverem condemned the series for "validating ... an accepted caricature" rather than teaching respect and tolerance.[105] Dean Chan felt the series's protagonist shift from Tommy (an Italian American) to CJ (an African American) without subverting archetypes made it "complicit in the pathologization and fetishization of race".[106]: 25 Paul Barrett found its disregard and decontextualisation of institutional racism's structures suggest "that the problems that African Americans experience is due to individual failure", reinforced by the concept that white players can simply experience "black identity".[107]: 114 A Games and Culture study found youth groups "do not passively receive the games' images and content": white players expressed concern about its racial stereotypes, while African American players used it "as a framework to discuss institutional racism".[108]: 264, 279 Rachael Hutchinson considered San Andreas "a critical reflection on racial conflict in America" and found several criticisms were based on limited viewings instead of the whole story.[109]: 174–175 Kotaku opined some in-game interactions could be portrayed as a lack of racism, such as characters conversing without moderating vocabularies or commenting on others'.[110] 1Up.com's Parish lauded the references to Rodney King's assault and the sophisticated writing addressing race in South Central Los Angeles.[101] David J. Leonard felt politicians and legislators were more concerned about the game's violent and sexual content than its racial stereotypes.[104]: 268
This post was edited on 9/9/26 at 9:53 am
Posted on 9/9/26 at 9:52 am to imjustafatkid
Gamergate in retrospect was a battle we definitely lost at the time pretty handily because the normies were no where near ready to entertain our side of the fight.
We have definitely won the war though even if it took over a decade.
We have definitely won the war though even if it took over a decade.
Posted on 9/9/26 at 9:54 am to td01241
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Gamergate in retrospect was a battle we definitely lost at the time pretty handily because the normies were no where near ready to entertain our side of the fight.
We have definitely won the war though even if it took over a decade.
Because the other side never stops pushing. They always take everything too far. They find "the middle," run it over, and then continue full speed ahead.
Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:07 pm to imjustafatkid
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Anyone claiming there were complaints about San Andreas having a black protagonist is simply lying
You're that full of yourself to believe that you were so all-knowing back in the days of the SA release to state that for certain this complaining was not happening at the time.
And that anyone who says different must be lying.
Ok buddy.
Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:24 pm to BurningHeart
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You're that full of yourself to believe that you were so all-knowing back in the days of the SA release to state that for certain this complaining was not happening at the time.
And that anyone who says different must be lying.
Yes, I even provided you with evidence. You should have kept reading the thread so you wouldn't look like such a moron.
This wasn't a thing, and anyone claiming otherwise is lying. I guess it's also possible they simply weren't alive yet/old enough and are making assumptions, so I'll leave that possibility open. However, no one can truthfully make those claims. The terms "SJW" and "woke" were not even used in the fashion mentioned itt when San Andreas was released.
This post was edited on 9/10/26 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:27 pm to imjustafatkid
Before you posted the wiki article I was going to say that the only thing people might’ve complained about SA and the protagonist was that it was a black guy in the hood. Apart from that the only controversy with that game was the “hot coffee” mod and that was only on pc
Posted on 9/10/26 at 12:34 pm to Josh Fenderman
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Before you posted the wiki article I was going to say that the only thing people might’ve complained about SA and the protagonist was that it was a black guy in the hood. Apart from that the only controversy with that game was the “hot coffee” mod and that was only on pc
Yep. It's amazing that these folks tried to make a claim they could have verified was false with a simple 5 minute web search.
The "hot coffee" outrage was silly for sure, especially in games like these. The graphics were decent, but they weren't good enough to pretend that was something outrageous that the PC gaming public in the era of the internet needed to be protected from.
This post was edited on 9/10/26 at 12:36 pm
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