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re: Game Desktop for my son
Posted on 10/12/22 at 3:46 pm to NS Who Dat Nation
Posted on 10/12/22 at 3:46 pm to NS Who Dat Nation
Don’t buy a prebuilt, they always skimp somewhere important like motherboard or PSU. Let Josh hook you up, dude is a fkn guru
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Posted on 10/12/22 at 4:07 pm to bamabenny
didn't sweat buy a prebuilt a year ago? i wonder how his is holding up.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 5:03 pm to NS Who Dat Nation
Look up pc building guides on youtube man. You can build a much better pc for not much more than the pc you linked. jayztwocents is a very good channel to learn pc building and such.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 5:29 pm to Joshjrn
Gentlemen this thread has been awesome. We are grateful for all the responses.
This post was edited on 10/12/22 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:18 pm to NS Who Dat Nation
Here's a quick parts list to use as a starting point. It's pretty similar to my last build. If he plays Cities without mods/assets, you could get away with 16GB of memory and put that money towards something else.
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PCPartPicker Part List: LINK
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial P2 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($76.99 @ Adorama)
Video Card: XFX Speedster SWFT 210 Radeon RX 6600 8 GB Video Card ($229.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P300A Mesh ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 PE 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $786.93
Posted on 10/12/22 at 9:50 pm to NS Who Dat Nation
Make him get a job and build his own. 
Posted on 10/13/22 at 6:25 am to NS Who Dat Nation
quote:I see your son is a gentleman and a scholar. That game is addicting as hell when you get passed the steep learning curve
Kerbal Space Program
Posted on 10/13/22 at 8:29 am to NS Who Dat Nation
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Lower graphics smaller games. Kerbal Space Program Terratech Minecraft Cities Skylines That’s about it. He also has an Xbox Series X that he uses for anything big/higher graphics.
That’s actually one of the most difficult game lists you could have given, because they are all cpu bound single core games (see explanation at the bottom). But, we can absolutely still set him up with a solid build that will not only improve performance in those games, but give him the opportunity to really branch out in the future. Currently on my phone, but I’ll knock out a parts list in a bit. But the one already posted was solid, so I don’t know how different it will be. Though I’m currently toying around with the cpu platform in my head…
Single core note: You’ll hear processors described in core count, i.e. a Ryzen 5600x is a 6 core, 12 thread processor. Think of them like clusters of processors that help in multitasking. Most games don’t use many cores, but some games only use one. So it doesn’t matter if you have 6 cores or 32 cores, the performance will be roughly the same. That’s the way the games he currently plays work. Which complicates the value proposition a bit.
Posted on 10/13/22 at 2:33 pm to NS Who Dat Nation
Posted on 10/13/22 at 3:49 pm to jaTigerfan
PCPartPicker Part List: LINK
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($65.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: SK Hynix Gold P31 500 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($61.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: ASRock Challenger D OC Radeon RX 6600 XT 8 GB Video Card ($269.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case ($104.95 @ B&H)
Power Supply: Corsair RM750x (2021) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($108.59 @ Amazon)
Total: $881.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-10-13 16:29 EDT-0400
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Alright, so I've gone back and forth over this off and on for the last few hours, and this is honestly a tough spot. On the one hand, your budget is on the low side for an entirely new build (things like cases and PSUs chew up your budget with a quickness), so there's limited room for true future proofing when it comes to core components. Forward-looking DDR5 platforms are simply too expensive right now. On the other, you want to get as much as you can now, while making sure you can carry as much forward as possible.
As you can see, my part list isn't markedly different from Ja's. The 12400f used to be the go to budget cpu, but the 5600 can be had for a song at this point, so I think that's the right call. I spent a bit more money to get from a 6600 to a 6600xt, but both are great budget options. As always, I tend to spend more on the bits that don't compute bits than most people, and I can go into reasons for my choices of case, PSU, and motherboard, if you're so inclined. 32GB of RAM is more future proofed than 16GB, but 16GB is plenty for now, and will probably be plenty for the life of this system. If you want to upgrade CPU in the future, you'll need a new motherboard regardless, and that motherboard will likely want DDR5 RAM, so on a budget build, I'm inclined to save some money there.
I think my selection of storage is probably my most questionable pick in this build, but there's a method to the madness. I have become a significant proponent in having your data/gaming drive separate from your boot drive (that contains Windows, maybe a few random programs, etc). I can go into more detail on that, but to keep this post as short as I can, I think a 500GB boot/initial drive is plenty, and then you/he can follow up later and add a 1-2TB drive to the second M.2 slot on the motherboard as money holiday/birthday gifts permit.
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($65.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: SK Hynix Gold P31 500 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($61.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: ASRock Challenger D OC Radeon RX 6600 XT 8 GB Video Card ($269.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case ($104.95 @ B&H)
Power Supply: Corsair RM750x (2021) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($108.59 @ Amazon)
Total: $881.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-10-13 16:29 EDT-0400
***
Alright, so I've gone back and forth over this off and on for the last few hours, and this is honestly a tough spot. On the one hand, your budget is on the low side for an entirely new build (things like cases and PSUs chew up your budget with a quickness), so there's limited room for true future proofing when it comes to core components. Forward-looking DDR5 platforms are simply too expensive right now. On the other, you want to get as much as you can now, while making sure you can carry as much forward as possible.
As you can see, my part list isn't markedly different from Ja's. The 12400f used to be the go to budget cpu, but the 5600 can be had for a song at this point, so I think that's the right call. I spent a bit more money to get from a 6600 to a 6600xt, but both are great budget options. As always, I tend to spend more on the bits that don't compute bits than most people, and I can go into reasons for my choices of case, PSU, and motherboard, if you're so inclined. 32GB of RAM is more future proofed than 16GB, but 16GB is plenty for now, and will probably be plenty for the life of this system. If you want to upgrade CPU in the future, you'll need a new motherboard regardless, and that motherboard will likely want DDR5 RAM, so on a budget build, I'm inclined to save some money there.
I think my selection of storage is probably my most questionable pick in this build, but there's a method to the madness. I have become a significant proponent in having your data/gaming drive separate from your boot drive (that contains Windows, maybe a few random programs, etc). I can go into more detail on that, but to keep this post as short as I can, I think a 500GB boot/initial drive is plenty, and then you/he can follow up later and add a 1-2TB drive to the second M.2 slot on the motherboard as money holiday/birthday gifts permit.
Posted on 10/13/22 at 4:01 pm to Joshjrn
yeah, i would at least increase the budget $200 more just to squeeze a 30 series card in there vs an AMD card. a 6600 ain't shite. 
Posted on 10/13/22 at 4:15 pm to finchmeister08
A $1,000 budget would make my decisions far easier
If I’m being completely honest, if I felt compelled to stick to the current budget (which I appreciate I’ve already fudged a bit…) I would wait another month or so. Let AMD announce their new gpu lineup early next month, get a bit more downward pressure on components, and see if you can take advantage of some Black Friday/cyber Monday sales.
If I’m being completely honest, if I felt compelled to stick to the current budget (which I appreciate I’ve already fudged a bit…) I would wait another month or so. Let AMD announce their new gpu lineup early next month, get a bit more downward pressure on components, and see if you can take advantage of some Black Friday/cyber Monday sales.
This post was edited on 10/13/22 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 10/13/22 at 5:06 pm to finchmeister08
quote:
yeah, i would at least increase the budget $200 more just to squeeze a 30 series card in there vs an AMD card. a 6600 ain't shite.
6600 is still a great card at 1080p. No reason to get ripped off buying a 3060 just for an additional 3-5 FPS.
card price 1080p ultra average fps
6600 $240 67
3060 $359 70
6600 XT $290 78
Posted on 10/13/22 at 5:18 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Especially when a 6600 can be had for $230 and a 6600xt for $270.
I’m generally an Nvidia proponent. And I still am at the high end, but on the low end with no care for RT? AMD offers serious value.
I’m generally an Nvidia proponent. And I still am at the high end, but on the low end with no care for RT? AMD offers serious value.
Posted on 10/13/22 at 5:28 pm to Joshjrn
Used too. And I've ALWAYS had Nvidia (well ever since 3dfx went out of business) but at 1080p it's all team red.
1080p ultra average fps (prices are used on ebay)
6600 xt $225 78
2070 super $290 76
5700 xt $190 74
3060 $280 70
2070 $210 68
rx 6600 $185 67
2060 super $215 65
rx 5700 $170 65
1080p ultra average fps (prices are used on ebay)
6600 xt $225 78
2070 super $290 76
5700 xt $190 74
3060 $280 70
2070 $210 68
rx 6600 $185 67
2060 super $215 65
rx 5700 $170 65
Posted on 10/13/22 at 5:37 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
No objection from me. I simply consider a 1080p card to be low end, by definition.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 5:11 pm to NS Who Dat Nation
Cities skylines is pretty resource heavy when the cities get large
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