re: Do you care if AI is used?

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for core gameplay, narrative, art direction, etc? Unless we just want to play derivative slop for the rest of our lives, humans need to be front and center on those items, in my opinion.

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This is my take on it. Use it as a tool to make game development more streamlined and efficient. But when it comes to the actual creative side of the process, humans need to be the driving force. Otherwise we will wind up in a situation where we never get any innovation or fresh ideas.

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The poster I was responding to suggests that wokies making woke trash games with AI presents a concern.

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Point of clarification: I don't cite it as a concern; I cite it as a rebuttal to the assertion that I've seen repeated on this board that AI is going to cut out the woke devs. As best as I can tell, AI is utterly irrelevant to the issue of woke devs, so I'm a bit baffled as to why the two frequently get brought up together.

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You are saying their woke devs using AI to make a woke slop game before his shift at Burger King is a rebuttal to the claim that AI will lead to fewer woke devs? Or is your contention that only the based devs are being laid off?

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My contention is that AI will affect woke devs and non-woke devs exactly the same, whether that turns out to be much or little, so bringing up woke vs non-woke in the context of AI in gaming pointlessly politicizes a non-political issue.

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My contention is that AI will affect woke devs and non-woke devs exactly the same

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I think that is only accurate if we assume that woke, activist games sell at the same rate as non-woke games.

Considering current trends, I would say that is obviously incorrect, no?

We can agree, if reality is still reality, that less profit-generating devs will be replaced before more profit-generating devs?

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a fairly common refrain on TD is that woke media producers aren’t doing it for the money; they are doing it to propagandize. Do you not believe that?

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There are likely a few who fit that mold, but they would be very few.

I think much of what we are seeing is devs that get on Reddit and think there is a huge market for woke trash. The elusive "modern audience" as it were. They almost assuredly believe their messaging is subtle, because in their circles, that IS subtle.

Do I think Leslie Hedlund believed she made overt woke slop with "The Acolyte"? No, because in her circles she is probably damn near right wing.

They think whatever political or social causes they see around them in their bubble are going to coalesce into both a movement and a blockbuster.

Life in a bubble, including right-wing bubbles, is very discomforting when exposed to broader reality.

My stance is that you will always need devs to have a vision, direct the AI, and debug the AI code. Knowing that, with fewer devs needed, the priority IMMEDIATELY becomes effectiveness. Hierarchical competence tends to exclude ideologues. Fewer devs needed, less room for devs that will lose you money for "a cause"

Will it free up wokies to use AI to make games?

I am sure it already is, and nobody is buying it. . .because nobody was buying it when those same wokies were at big studios with big money. . . wrecking Veilguard, Dustborn, Forspoken, and what have you.

I am fine with individuals making whatever they want for whatever reason, gamewise (aside from CSAM of course). The market corrects for that.

ETA: I will never say "Dragon Age", in front of Veilguard. I am still waiting for the fourth DA game.

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This is my take on it. Use it as a tool to make game development more streamlined and efficient. But when it comes to the actual creative side of the process, humans need to be the driving force. Otherwise we will wind up in a situation where we never get any innovation or fresh ideas.

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People asked a similar question on the music board, and I think you have so many people angry at artists for various reasons that they take a "nuke it from orbit" opinion on it all.

With AI, you don't get the future John Williams, or Freddie Mercury, or David Bowie, or Dizzy Gillespie. With AI you don't get the future Van Gogh or DaVinci or such.

Yes, some art is goofy and sadly that's usually what gets the most attention - but the vast majority of artists out there aren't the ones putting different sizes of blank canvases on a wall and calling it "Empty".

I'm not terribly interested in the day when AI creates all our art, makes our movies, writes and plays our music, plays our sports, drives our trucks, farms our fields, etc.