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Posted on 7/10/08 at 1:44 pm to CaptainsWafer
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Ive had it twice.
So you are one of the 16.4%. Still does not change the fact that most will never have it.
Posted on 7/10/08 at 1:45 pm to SG_Geaux
How can you say that games running smoother on one system over another is a hardware problem and not a software problem?
Posted on 7/10/08 at 1:46 pm to Catman88
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Everyone I know has had the RRoD including myself.. Maybe thats just a coincidence..
Probably coincidence because none of my friends have had it.
Posted on 7/10/08 at 1:50 pm to SG_Geaux
Consider how often most consoles are used.
Just because you own a 360 doesn't mean you use it much, if at all.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say if you surveyed only owners who classify themselves as regular gamers, the failure rate would be MUCH higher.
And the fact that a number of people have had MULTIPLE failures is just insane. Ok, you built a cheap console and it broke.. send me an improved model, not the same hunk of crap with a book of prayer and a pat on the shoulder.
Just because you own a 360 doesn't mean you use it much, if at all.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say if you surveyed only owners who classify themselves as regular gamers, the failure rate would be MUCH higher.
And the fact that a number of people have had MULTIPLE failures is just insane. Ok, you built a cheap console and it broke.. send me an improved model, not the same hunk of crap with a book of prayer and a pat on the shoulder.
Posted on 7/10/08 at 1:53 pm to Catman88
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How can you say that games running smoother on one system over another is a hardware problem and not a software problem?
I never said it was a hardware problem
Posted on 7/10/08 at 1:55 pm to Flichter
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Just because you own a 360 doesn't mean you use it much, if at all.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say if you surveyed only owners who classify themselves as regular gamers, the failure rate would be MUCH higher.
That is pure speculation on your part. I am telling you what the actual stats are.
I use my machine very heavily and have never had an issue
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And the fact that a number of people have had MULTIPLE failures is just insane. Ok, you built a cheap console and it broke.. send me an improved model, not the same hunk of crap with a book of prayer and a pat on the shoulder.
Did you read the article ? It states that the same warranty center that reported the 16.4% failure rate has also reported that the problems appear to have been engineered out.
You may have people with one of the original units that eventually fails, but the new units apparently don't have the issue.
This post was edited on 7/10/08 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 7/10/08 at 1:59 pm to SG_Geaux
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Did you read the article ? It states that the same warranty center that reported the 16.4% failure rate has also reported that the problems appear to have been engineered out.
Are they now sending newer fixed models or when you send in a broken one do they send you one that still has the old problems? Or is MS just playing its odds that the reissue will not fail? If you keep doing this over and over again and it takes a couple of years for the problem to show then how many XBOX users that are getting reissued 360s with the potential problem will get a RROD after the 3 years is up?? My money is that XBOX is relying on that to happen. I do not know of one person that has gotten an HDMI 360 as a result of sending in a RROD system.
Posted on 7/10/08 at 2:03 pm to Catman88
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I do not know of one person that has gotten an HDMI 360 as a result of sending in a RROD system.
That does not mean the chipset and CPU are not different.
Look the 360 has had it's problems. Some reports even say the failure rate may have been as high as 30%. It is an unacceptable failure rate.
The fact still remains that the majority of 360 owners have never had the issue and the newer units have apparently had the problem engineered out by the chipset and CPU change.
Posted on 7/10/08 at 2:10 pm to SG_Geaux
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That does not mean the chipset and CPU are not different
I seriously doubt MS would engineer a new board just for the RROD reissues. Otherwise the ones they reissue would have HDMI capability since thats is what the new board offers.. You cant simply plug in a new chipset and CPU into the old board that wouldnt work. CPU with better heatsink maybe.. They might even be able to put in a new style CPU if the old board was compaitible. But its not possible to change out chipsets on a board.
Simply put it would be in MS's best interest and likely what they do to refurbish the bad systems coming in and send those bad system that are fixed back to the consumer. Now if the RROD was in fact an engineering problem then the problem units sent back can fail and according to some people has failed.. However MS has the odds on its side that they will not fail and can just keep circulating bad equipment until the 3 year warranty is up. Do this over and over again then its logical that the number of failures will definitly decrease over time. (Likely what they are reporting as being engineered out)
Posted on 7/10/08 at 2:13 pm to Catman88
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I seriously doubt MS would engineer a new board just for the RROD reissues.
They didn't have to. Just take the same board that was engineered for HDMI and leave the HDMI port out. Simple.
I do agree with you that some machines were without a doubt sent out with refurb boards only to fail again.
This post was edited on 7/10/08 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 7/10/08 at 2:24 pm to SG_Geaux
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They didn't have to. Just take the same board that was engineered for HDMI and leave the HDMI port out. Simple.
If this is true there would be someone that has gotten one that would have a plans online for adding the hdmi port as an addon since the circuit would be run for the HDMI port. I know thats what I would do and it would be extremely easy one too.
Posted on 7/10/08 at 2:26 pm to SG_Geaux
I know what I know and that's personally, the 360s I've owned are pieces of crap.
PS3 hardware failures are an anomaly. If you have one, you're unlucky. On the other hand, if you haven't had a 360 problem, you're lucky.
PS3 hardware failures are an anomaly. If you have one, you're unlucky. On the other hand, if you haven't had a 360 problem, you're lucky.
Posted on 7/10/08 at 2:28 pm to Flichter
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I know what I know and that's personally, the 360s I've owned are pieces of crap.
Perhaps you were just unlucky ?
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On the other hand, if you haven't had a 360 problem, you're lucky.
So I guess 80%+ of the 360 owners are just lucky
This post was edited on 7/10/08 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 7/10/08 at 2:36 pm to SG_Geaux
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They have to justify spending all that money
not true, i actually got mine for the same price, granted i traded my ps2 in for it but that doesnt matter cus all i was playing at the time was fifa and god of war 2. and that was ultimately why i chose the ps3 because i got it at the same price as the 360, and plus if i wanted to play 360 all i had to do was walk 4 ft into my roommates room. i bet i have spent less on ps3 than you have on 360, including extra controllers batteries xbox live more hard drive hd player if you actually got one
Posted on 7/10/08 at 2:39 pm to dgnx6
First, I wouldn't trust any statistic coming from Microsoft.
Just like I couldn't trust them to sell me a system that wouldn't have an internal meltdown just 'cause.
If you had a car which had a 20%ish explosion rate, I would say yes, you're very lucky if your car hasn't yet exploded.
If we're talking 1, 2, even 5% failure rate.. I'd totally agree with you.
Just like I couldn't trust them to sell me a system that wouldn't have an internal meltdown just 'cause.
If you had a car which had a 20%ish explosion rate, I would say yes, you're very lucky if your car hasn't yet exploded.
If we're talking 1, 2, even 5% failure rate.. I'd totally agree with you.
Posted on 7/10/08 at 7:53 pm to SG_Geaux
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There is no doubt that MS messed up and the 360 had an unusually high and unacceptable failure rate. That has changed since the new 45nm chipset came along.
I guess that makes it all ok for the early adopters then?
I've heard this from 360 fanboys before (and just so you know, I don't own either) "oh it's probably their fault for keeping it in a cabinet or something". Well my friend bought one of the launch models, he's had to send it back 7 times! He is, and always has been, really careful about it. You can say whatever you want about overheating, the truth is that Microsoft built a console with components that are unsuitable for prolonged use. You can't sell millions of units and expect that each person is going to treat it in the exact way you want it, not for hundreds of dollars per console - for that much it's a reasonable expectation that it should be built to last at least five years without breaking down.
That said, I currently only own a PS2, I'm going to try and pick up a second hand Nintendo 64 because they're so cheap
ETA: and they were built to last, I dropped my old N64 down the stairs, and off the top of a bunkbed. It was fine. Shame the pads gradually wore down.
This post was edited on 7/10/08 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 7/10/08 at 8:07 pm to Flichter
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First, I wouldn't trust any statistic coming from Microsoft.
The 16% is from another company. I can't remember whether they're independent of Microsoft or not, but it's generally considered to be reliable data. However Microsoft refused to discuss the failure rate for ages, even though they would've known very early on something was wrong and surely would've tried to get an idea of how wrong.
What that 16% doesn't take into account though, is the probable failure rate vs which batch of 360s. The earliest 360s, first million or so, are supposed to have a failure rate of between 33% or higher.
Posted on 7/10/08 at 9:43 pm to Mephistopheles
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I guess that makes it all ok for the early adopters then?
Where did I say that ?
My point is that the PS3 fanboys need to stop saying don't buy a new 360 because of the RROD when that is not an issue anymore in the new units. Of course it does not help the early adopters. The early adopters whose consoles failed got a shitty deal.
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