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re: Avowed is looking like it's going to be another great game from Obsidian

Posted on 11/27/24 at 10:38 am to
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 11/27/24 at 10:38 am to
I don't really care about the pronouns, provided it isn't heavy-handed in the game proper

For example, Starfield allowed pronoun selection but did absolutely nothing in the game with it

DA:V it only leaned into the nonsense, but did it in such cringe way that even "represented" groups wrote articles saying "please stop"
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Posted on 11/27/24 at 10:43 am to
Those were just the posts of people who have had enough of the bullshite, really.

The solution to this whole thing is to allow custom pronouns. That way people could make pronouns like "slut" "frick tr***ies" "n-word", as well as "xim", "fairykin", et al.

Everyone is happy, and also nobody wins
Posted by imjustafatkid
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Posted on 11/27/24 at 2:04 pm to
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The solution to this whole thing is to allow custom pronouns. That way people could make pronouns like "slut" "frick tr***ies" "n-word", as well as "xim", "fairykin", et al.


Honestly, this is the only way their ideology can be consistent. If gender is fluid and can be anything you want, then it should be fluid and anything you want.
Posted by Commodore 64
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Posted on 11/27/24 at 2:43 pm to



"Dev/Writer: Planescape Torment, #Fallout 2/New Vegas, DivinityOS2, Prey, Into the Breach, #DyingLight2, Ex-Bloodlines 2, Star Wars: KOTOR2 & #JediFallenOrder"

This man literally designed the best games at Interplay and Obsidian.

He left because of all this DEI nonsense and went freelance a few years back.

If anyone has any shot at possibly shaking things up for the better, it's this guy.
Posted by Duzz
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Posted on 11/28/24 at 12:15 am to
I was gonna buy it since it was obsidian and someone hyped it up in here. Then I found out recently that it has pronouns in it. Any game with pronouns option in it is an automatic fail of a game. Every last single one. Having the normal gender option doesn't always equal success, but having that weird pronouns thing is always a guaranteed fail.

Before anyone can say I am wrong that is base on opinions, by all means, link the a Triple A game of Avowed Caliber that made gangbusters money and is consider an instant classic.

Posted by SG_Geaux
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Posted on 11/28/24 at 1:07 am to
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Before anyone can say I am wrong that is base on opinions, by all means, link the a Triple A game of Avowed Caliber that made gangbusters money and is consider an instant classic.


While I mostly agree with you, and probably will ignore Avowed cause of the pronouns, Baldurs Gate 3 let you make dude with tit's and chick's with dicks.
Posted by The Quiet One
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Posted on 11/28/24 at 4:30 am to
True, it was also entirely customizable so if one didn't want to be beat over the head with a tranny dick, you could skip it.

Only unskippable woke element I recall is Lae'zel saying the idea of having sex resulting in pregnancy was a disgusting notion (obvious pro-abortion messaging).

Meanwhile, Shadowheart, Minthara and my main character are butt naked the whole game because I can make clothing optional and I'm a pervert.
Nothing like wiping the Chosen of the Dead Three with my cock out next to my naked waifus

I can make that game an Andrew Tate simulator.
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Posted on 11/28/24 at 7:05 am to
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Before anyone can say I am wrong that is base on opinions, by all means, link the a Triple A game of Avowed Caliber that made gangbusters money and is consider an instant classic.

BG3 and Cyberpunk 2077

don't remember pronouns, but you can create trans character in both
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 11/28/24 at 7:13 am to
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Meanwhile, Shadowheart, Minthara and my main character are butt naked the whole game because I can make clothing optional and I'm a pervert. Nothing like wiping the Chosen of the Dead Three with my cock out next to my naked waifus

I’m trying to figure out if you just accidentally left out Karlach or if you’ve got Wyll sitting in the corner masturbating under his Potent Robes
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 11/28/24 at 7:19 am to
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BG3 and Cyberpunk 2077 don't remember pronouns, but you can create trans character in both

After a short search to refresh my memory, BG3 allows selecting male/female/and non binary pronouns, which apparently (never done it, so purely from search) impacts which are used in game to refer to your character.

CP2077 is a bit more clunky. It lets you make separate selections for your body type and your voice. The game then assigns your gender (and pronouns) based on voice selection alone.
Posted by Blitzed
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Posted on 11/28/24 at 7:34 am to
I was just reminded that all this type of bullshite ruined the Witcher on Netflix.

Tragic.
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 11/28/24 at 7:59 am to
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I was just reminded that all this type of bullshite ruined the Witcher on Netflix. Tragic.

The Witcher got ruined by utterly shite writing that completely missed the point of major storylines and bastardized core motivations of the characters to the point that it ruined them.

I’ve read all the books twice and played all three games, and I can confidently say that everything after season 1 was dogshit, separate and apart from any pronoun concerns, which I don’t even remember.
Posted by Duzz
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Posted on 11/28/24 at 11:59 am to
Trans character doesn't equal pronouns for me, but I will give you that it is a fair point. Though speaking of Cyberpunk, I just found out how and why the United States in the Cyberpunk world became the way it is and so dystopian.



Posted by The Quiet One
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Posted on 11/28/24 at 6:41 pm to
Karlach too butch for me. Plus, I need room for my BG2 romance, Jaheira :)
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 2:01 am to
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do you guys have an objection to pronouns/voice acting being separate toggles from sex in RPG character creation, a la BG3 or CP2077?


I do and I don't. I do because of what it (usually) represents (present-day bullshite in my escapist entertainment). I don't because I want to live and let live.

When many folks get even a whiff of the bullshite, they won't even consider playing the game. I'm not quite there, but close. Hell, if there was a story-based reason to include the concept that wasn't a heavy-handed preaching about present-day bullshite, was thoughtful and allowed for both sides to be heard, etc., I might give it a pass.

But it is merit-less, empty virtue signaling at best (which is bad enough) or propaganda.
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:20 am to
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Though speaking of Cyberpunk, I just found out how and why the United States in the Cyberpunk world became the way it is and so dystopian.

Kind of… NeoTribes is basically the source book for the Nomads. I hadn’t read it before, so I just skimmed through it. That paragraph leads into a section on the strict family-like structure of the tribes and a description of the communal respect between (most of) the tribes. Put another way, while this snippet would likely decry gay pride parades as “me first” divisiveness, it would have no issue with, and would likely support, the simple inclusion of gay/trans people in media. To not do so would be your culture engaging in the exact same kind of divisiveness this snippet is talking about, that your group culture is preferred/better/more equal to another. It’s the victim Olympics of everyone screaming about who is the most special in their oppression that’s the problem.

The site is annoying to navigate, as you have to wait 10s for ad skips, but the document is short, and everywhere else wants to make you pay for it: LINK

Though as a point of clarification, this is attempting to describe why the cultural fabric of America collapsed. The Cyberpunk universe is pretty heavy handed that the rise of mega corporations is the reason for the dystopia
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:32 am to
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The Witcher got ruined by utterly shite writing that completely missed the point of major storylines and bastardized core motivations of the characters to the point that it ruined them.
Translation: The idiots sideling Geralt, the character everyone loves, for Yennefer, the character that only like 3 people find NOT irritating.

And they made Jaskier gay/bi

And nothing about Triss makes any fricking sense to her character.
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:34 am to
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Karlach
My boo

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too butch for me
She is basically demon Wonder Woman with a potty mouth

This post was edited on 11/29/24 at 8:35 am
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 5:26 pm to
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Translation: The idiots sideling Geralt, the character everyone loves, for Yennefer, the character that only like 3 people find NOT irritating. And they made Jaskier gay/bi And nothing about Triss makes any fricking sense to her character.

So, absolutely on Triss. As for Dandelion, meh. They severely fricked up his character, but his being bi really wasn’t the issue.

I mean truly core character qualities. Geralt wishing for Yen to love him instead of wishing to bind their fates to save her is fricking horrific. Yen and Geralt would never, fricking ever, use Ciri as bait for a trap. They would watch the world burn first.

And speaking of Ciri, deciding to frick the entire timeline just so they could smash all of the characters together immediately made the entire narrative incoherent.

Also, literally everything the did with the mages was retarded
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 6:12 am to
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but his being bi really wasn’t the issue.
not the issue. . . but a issue

In the books, Dandelion is borderline homophobic, and confidently heterosexual
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