re: All Ubisoft servers have crashed

Do you realize how many dumb shitty games we used to play?

Get off the ledge. Gaming is doing just fine with many great games. Games didn't used to be that much better, we just didn't know tmnt sucked.

Nintendo released shite games too, or let other publishers release shite games at least. The industry is much better off and much more healthy now than it was then. At that time it was a fad, now it's a a part of culture. Look at 2015, great games were all over the place.

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The industry has become so focused on making as much money as quickly as possible, in general they have forgotten to actually make a good game.

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Make America Great Again!

Just as many great and bad games are released now as in the past.

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Pre ordering, combined with a handful of other things, will be the downfall of gaming

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Yea, keep waiting on this to happen.

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Nintendo isn't coming to save them.

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They might be the ones needing saving.


JJ Nintendo bros.

Thanks for validating my point regarding Nintendo. You can continue to shell out $60+ for games that don't work on release if you want. Just don't expect things to ever change.

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Thanks for validating my point regarding Nintendo

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What point? I was making a joke about Nintendo not doing well this cycle. The other brands are doing great and better than the previous cycle.

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You can continue to shell out $60+ for games that don't work on release if you want. Just don't expect things to ever change.

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I am not sure what I want to change? I'm fine with the quality of games being produced. Games are way more complicated than they were in the past and for the most part quality is just as good or better IMO.
Keeping online servers running perfect during a launch of a AAA game is not exactly the same thing as getting Mario to work on launch day.

There are plenty of trends I think are bad for the consumer. Like Microtransactions. But if you think preordering is starting some downfall of gaming I just think that is wrong.

I will agree that I am enjoying those games. For those games though, you could name one that didn't deliver.

Destiny
Watch dogs
The Order

Just to name a few. The pre order numbers and hype surrounding the games you mentioned were not on the level of those three aside from fallout and division. I study market trends and invest in a variety of different products and services including the gaming industry. Admittedly, right now it's good. I haven't lost much money and what I did lose, I made up ten fold. That being said, there are grumblings from investors regarding the continued status of market trends and most agree it is turning downwards. If problems like what we saw most recently with the division continue, investors will be scared to invest, for fear of losing their arse when the market decides they have had enough of games not working day one and don't buy. That's not good for anyone. The supply won't be there to satisfy demand. What we will get is more and more COD style games because no one wants to take any risk. We're seeing it now in small doses. I chose to discuss pre ordering because it is the most obvious issue to highlight. The gaming industry is not immune from market tendencies.

It is unique, in that is the only product pre ordered in large quantities months in advance. That trust, between gamers and developers, that their money will get them what they have been told it will, has been damaged, IMO. It needs to be repaired. Unless you can convince Barrack to bail you out, you will go under if the consumer says they've had enough.

Based on my own knowledge of market trends and sustainability, I believe we will see the gaming bubble burst within five years if things continue as they are. Im not saying gaming will be gone forever and you won't be able to buy new games. You will. The quality and selection will take a massive hit, though. It's just my somewhat informed opinion so take it for what it is. I know I'm just some random guy on TD, but I have a pretty extensive working knowledge of the industry from a business and marketing perspective.

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Aside from the shady shite we are both aware of, what's the reason for high marks of obviously bad games? Let's say for a moment that reviewers are not paid. Then either reviewers are incompetent or not playing the same games we are. Which is certainly a possibility.

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So you still have no evidence, you are just trying to rationalize what you think of a game and why a score is different. You have to provide an example to have that discussion. Destiny had very average scores and if any game would have been paid off it would have been that one.

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I will agree that I am enjoying those games. For those games though, you could name one that didn't deliver.

Destiny
Watch dogs
The Order

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Destiny took time to deliver, but eventually did.

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If problems like what we saw most recently with the division continue, investors will be scared to invest

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Nothing with the division is bad enough to cause any long term problem. They have had some server hiccups as all online games do. Assuming they fix them soon it will be forgotten.

you are right that video games are a market. Within that market it also has the ability to correct itself which it is already showing signs that it has. Take Assassin's creed for example. Unity was released in a poor state and their reputation took a big hit. Syndicate came out to underwhelming sales and now they are taking a year off to better it.

Making too many 'safe' games is one reason why game sales dropped off towards the end of last generation. It may work for Activision but it was starting to hurt EA. Notice companies like EA are starting to experiment in other areas too with smaller games like unraveled. Ubisoft has also done this with Child of Light. Gaming isn't going anywhere. Console sales are better than they ever have been before.

I'm not reading all that you nerd.