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re: Why Are Food Trucks Not Allowed In New Orleans?
Posted on 5/7/13 at 5:10 pm to BlackenedOut
Posted on 5/7/13 at 5:10 pm to BlackenedOut
quote:Because this has nothing to do with competition.
Which means the areas they would most benefit from being in, namely cbd, whd, french quarter, they cant go.
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Posted on 5/7/13 at 5:11 pm to Jimbeaux
"Jimbeaux"
Best answer in thread.
I see both sides but I have no sympathy for my competitor who called me today to see if I would like to buy his complete inventory. Because for the last ten years he has taken millions of dollars in projects away from myself and other reputable companies. He did this by not paying taxes, paying employees cash, not paying insurance, vendors, employees, permits, bonds etc...
Had he been regulated AS I AM he would not have made it in business. But what he did was give one of the industries I'm involved in a black eye and take away very good projects that professional companies would have performed and benefited from.
If a food trucks only real advantage is mobility and start up cost due to a vehicle being cheaper than a building than that's a fair advantage. If he sets up across the street from my storefront and pays the same taxes, licenses, permits, insurance etc...than I'll just put out a better product.
You play by the same rules as me and I'm fine with any competition. It makes it better for me, you and the consumer.
Best answer in thread.
I see both sides but I have no sympathy for my competitor who called me today to see if I would like to buy his complete inventory. Because for the last ten years he has taken millions of dollars in projects away from myself and other reputable companies. He did this by not paying taxes, paying employees cash, not paying insurance, vendors, employees, permits, bonds etc...
Had he been regulated AS I AM he would not have made it in business. But what he did was give one of the industries I'm involved in a black eye and take away very good projects that professional companies would have performed and benefited from.
If a food trucks only real advantage is mobility and start up cost due to a vehicle being cheaper than a building than that's a fair advantage. If he sets up across the street from my storefront and pays the same taxes, licenses, permits, insurance etc...than I'll just put out a better product.
You play by the same rules as me and I'm fine with any competition. It makes it better for me, you and the consumer.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 5:16 pm to TheDoc
quote:
How would 1000's of extra jobs created by private businesses be a detriment to the local economy actually?
You keep saying it would be good for the economy. To a small degree, maybe.
If someone if someone isn't going to spend their money at Brick & Mortar, and instead are going to spend it on Food Truck, is that really new money being pushed into the economy? Someone is going to spend that money regardless if there is a food truck or not.
The same thing can be said for jobs. Is it really creating thousands of jobs, when a food truck potentially could shut down a B&M restaurant which would have other people out of a job?
I think the notion that is will pump all this money into the economy is silly. As well as creating all these extra jobs.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 5:17 pm to Martini
quote:
"Jimbeaux"
Best answer in thread.
Not by a long shot
Posted on 5/7/13 at 5:18 pm to Lester Earl
Ive wondered plenty of times, just precisely why someone would want to open a food truck.
Sure maybe they dont have the capital, but the hours are just as shitty as a real restaurant, the check average lower, and you dont get to sell booze. Booze is what keeps most restaurants open and profitable to a large extent.
One other thing, is approximately 34983904803978 new restaurants have opened in New Orleans post Katrina. Not all of them have been funded by big swinging restaurant groups with millions in capital. This is a fairly inexpensive city to open a restaurant in.
Sure maybe they dont have the capital, but the hours are just as shitty as a real restaurant, the check average lower, and you dont get to sell booze. Booze is what keeps most restaurants open and profitable to a large extent.
One other thing, is approximately 34983904803978 new restaurants have opened in New Orleans post Katrina. Not all of them have been funded by big swinging restaurant groups with millions in capital. This is a fairly inexpensive city to open a restaurant in.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 5:21 pm to Martini
Because there isn't an advantage to brick & mortar? Tell me about the ambience, bartender, patios, balconies, restrooms, and atmosphere you enjoy while eating a frank on the sidewalk at a food truck. I don't know how Clancy's manages to stay in business with Taceaux Loceaux a few blocks away. There is no even playing field. The attempt to create an artificial one has been harmful.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 5:22 pm to BlackenedOut
I dont really see the appeal either. If i am a food truck, I am scared to open in New Orleans because of all of the good restaurants. I don't think it should be the other way around.
As you said, the limitations are a huge draw back. And Im not talkin about permits.
As you said, the limitations are a huge draw back. And Im not talkin about permits.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 5:24 pm to Lester Earl
Christ, there is probably some idiot out there who thinks he can make a decent enough gyro plate that is going to cash in his 401K and open a gyro shop on Freret or Dryades in the next few months.
One reason food trucks have thrived in other places is it is very hard and very expensive to open a restaurant and get licenses, especially liquor. We dont really have that problem.
One reason food trucks have thrived in other places is it is very hard and very expensive to open a restaurant and get licenses, especially liquor. We dont really have that problem.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 5:25 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Basic economics fail.
If someone if someone isn't going to spend their money at Brick & Mortar, and instead are going to spend it on Food Truck, is that really new money being pushed into the economy? Someone is going to spend that money regardless if there is a food truck or not.
quote:So a few hundred food trucks with a half dozen employees each and hundreds of customers a year per truck wouldn't be noticeable?
I think the notion that is will pump all this money into the economy is silly. As well as creating all these extra jobs.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 5:26 pm to Blue Velvet
Just pay an equivalent proprotion of taxes. Why that makes The Dick, whoops, my bad, The Doc and National Blue Velvet crap their panties is beyond me.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 5:27 pm to Blue Velvet
A few hundred food trucks? Look, I have no horse in the game, but if you think New Orleans could support a few hundred food trucks we are talking about different galaxies here.
What food trucks really do well is quick lunches and late night dining. So you are talking about very limited hours for revenue and limited access to customers.
My best guess would be that New Orleans would need maybe 20-30 food trucks to pull the above off.
What food trucks really do well is quick lunches and late night dining. So you are talking about very limited hours for revenue and limited access to customers.
My best guess would be that New Orleans would need maybe 20-30 food trucks to pull the above off.
This post was edited on 5/7/13 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 5/7/13 at 5:28 pm to Jimbeaux
Nice dodge.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 5:31 pm to BlackenedOut
You should consider traveling more often. Head west. Austin alone has over 1,000.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 5:32 pm to Blue Velvet
Ive been to Austin. I found the food from the food trucks to be average at best. By all means, Keep Austin Weird and I'll take New Orleans as old fashioned.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 5:35 pm to BlackenedOut
quote:So that is reason enough to kill New Orleans businesses?
I found the food from the food trucks to be average at best.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 5:39 pm to Blue Velvet
I am not advocated killing any businesses. There are all sorts of regulations, rules, procedures, licensure requirements, etc... that I find to be completely unnecessary. In fact, most of them are solely to prop up entrenched business interests. I get that that isnt fair.
However, the people attempting to overturn the current rules bear the burden of proving that they are outdated or unwarranted. I just dont see the massive need or want for 1,000 food trucks selling food at places around the city. If we were a food wasteland like DC where rents make anything other than a chain or well-funded operation, then yes maybe we'd all be crying out to relax restrictions so we could have access to falafel or kurrywurst. But that isnt really the case.
However, the people attempting to overturn the current rules bear the burden of proving that they are outdated or unwarranted. I just dont see the massive need or want for 1,000 food trucks selling food at places around the city. If we were a food wasteland like DC where rents make anything other than a chain or well-funded operation, then yes maybe we'd all be crying out to relax restrictions so we could have access to falafel or kurrywurst. But that isnt really the case.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 5:39 pm to BlackenedOut
How does the TL truck get on Howard ave? That's the CBD.
I don't get the hate for the food trucks. It's like the people who get mad about threads here. If you don't like it don't click it.
I don't get the hate for the food trucks. It's like the people who get mad about threads here. If you don't like it don't click it.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 5:39 pm to Blue Velvet
quote:
Nice dodge.
What dodge?
Legitimate issues with food trucks:
1) They must pay fair share of taxes that other restaurants must pay. Not exactly the same, but something reasonably equivalent.
2) The idea of food trucks is that people are likely to walk up from work or , or drive up in cars, and many will choose to eat in a park or something. I've seen food truck episodes on the food channel where several trucks park in an area and even set up portable chairs/tables. That's all fine and good, but some consideration should be required to have restroom facilities nearby. Doesn't seem too onerus that if food trucks were allowed to park at Lafayette Square that they put up a port-o-potty or two.
3) There should be designated areas for where they can park. Most CBD/Warehouse.FQ areas have very imited parking. If "hundreds" of food trucks show up, as Blue Velvet suggests, we've got a bunch of other problems.
I think these issues can be reasonably worked out. All-in-all, I like the idea of food trucks. If that's a dodge or some attack on your concept of liberty, then I must be missing something.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 5:41 pm to TigerWise
I dont get hate for food trucks either. But I dont get unparalleled devotion to them either.
Look, I'd lov eto be able to set up a cooler on Poydras in 10 minutes and sell beers to people leaving the CBD, but there are rules that dont let me do that (except on Saints gamedays). Let's overturn the pesky, prohibitionist liquor rules first. Then someone can open a craft bar truck, which would be awesome.
ETA: I think Howard may be the dividing line. Alex and TL are very knowledgeable of the law, and I imagine they have it down to the inch where they can be.
Look, I'd lov eto be able to set up a cooler on Poydras in 10 minutes and sell beers to people leaving the CBD, but there are rules that dont let me do that (except on Saints gamedays). Let's overturn the pesky, prohibitionist liquor rules first. Then someone can open a craft bar truck, which would be awesome.
ETA: I think Howard may be the dividing line. Alex and TL are very knowledgeable of the law, and I imagine they have it down to the inch where they can be.
This post was edited on 5/7/13 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 5/7/13 at 5:46 pm to BlackenedOut
quote:
t (except on Saints gamedays
Haha
Look I like the food trucks being able to set up shop in front of bars. NOLA is the real city that doesn't sleep and late night food options are limited. At the same time we don't need a food truck free for all.
Tell more more about this craft beer truck.
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