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Outdoor Wood Fire Oven

Posted on 7/21/20 at 8:27 pm
Posted by lsucm10
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
1313 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 8:27 pm
I’m looking into building a wood fire oven and wanted to see if any of y’all have one and could tell me where you got it. I’m currently looking at two options:
Option 1

Option 2

I appreciate any advice you may have. TIA
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:17 pm to
I’ve looked at the forno bravos for years, ended up building my own by hand of clay/mud. The FBs are a quality product with good support from the company.
Things to consider:
— is your oven going to be under an overhang or otherwise covered and out of the rain? If you read the fine print of most precast WFOs, they suggest only firing the oven if it is dry—so if you have a freestanding oven in south LA, you can go weeks without the oven being truly dry if it is freestanding in the open.
—Do you have a covered, dry place to store firewood?
—Do you have a reliable, steady source for quality hardwood to use as firewood? Burning softwoods will funk up the oven, esp pine, and may not generate sufficient heat to “soak” the oven for carryover cooking (like bread making or other long cooked dishes done in the falling heat of the oven after the fire is out/removed).
—a low domed pizza oven is not the same proportions as a higher domed bread/other stuff oven. Decide if you’re truly chasing 90-second pizza Napoletana Vera or if you want a more general use oven before you start picking out models.

I also considered the Four Grandmere ovens, check em out, LINK
Posted by lsucm10
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
1313 posts
Posted on 7/22/20 at 8:16 am to
quote:

is your oven going to be under an overhang or otherwise covered and out of the rain? If you read the fine print of most precast WFOs, they suggest only firing the oven if it is dry—so if you have a freestanding oven in south LA, you can go weeks without the oven being truly dry if it is freestanding in the open.

Thats TBD at the moment. I am moving into a new house in a few more days and they have a covered patio area but the roof is low. Once I move in, I will need to take measurements to see how much room I have. The other concern is the thickness of the slab in that area as well. If it isnt at least 4", the area wont work based upon the foundation plans I looked at so far. So it may end up exposed to the elements. Eventually some form of a structure would be built to protect it.

quote:

—Do you have a covered, dry place to store firewood?

The stand I plan to build is where I plan to store wood which will take care of this issue.

quote:

Do you have a reliable, steady source for quality hardwood to use as firewood? Burning softwoods will funk up the oven, esp pine, and may not generate sufficient heat to “soak” the oven for carryover cooking (like bread making or other long cooked dishes done in the falling heat of the oven after the fire is out/removed).


Havent crossed this bridge yet, but oak seems like a good option around here.

quote:

a low domed pizza oven is not the same proportions as a higher domed bread/other stuff oven. Decide if you’re truly chasing 90-second pizza Napoletana Vera or if you want a more general use oven before you start picking out models.


The goal is 90 second Napoletana pizzas. Sure other things will get cooked in the oven, but the focus will be pizza.

Since my oven at home can only reach around 500-550 range I mixed in some all purpose flour with "00" flour at a 50/50 ratio along with water, salt, and yeast. I also make my own sauce, which is probably easier than making the dough.
I have plenty to left to learn, but the process has been fun and the kids love helping. Thanks for your input and I will check out the site you linked.
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 7/22/20 at 10:12 am to
If you're hardcore chasing 90 sec VPN, then check out the pizzamaking.com forum. It looks dated, but it is chock full of fantastic info, excellent pizza makers, and some very serious oven geeks.

Forgot to mention: make sure you look at prevailing winds/airflow around your oven site. Nothing like thinking you've got the perfect spot, but the dominant airflow runs all the smoke back toward your house/under patio cover. A low-roofed patio isn't a problem if you run a chimney pipe from the oven out to the side & above the patio roofline. Definitely check local building/fire codes & see if you are required to have a spark arrestor chimney cap and/or locate the oven a specific distance from house/structure.

I planned and plotted for years. Built one from scratch, then realized that it was a giagantic pain in the arse. I now make pizza (all the time) on a baking steel in my home oven (which has a wonderful broiler).

I turn on the oven, it gets to 500 in about an hour...and I've figured out that I preheat the baking steel with the broiler for about 10 mins while i prep the pizza, the stone gets to 700 degrees easily. Slip in the pizza, turn off the broiler, cook for a few minutes, then switch the broiler back on for top browning. Using that slightly fiddly but not too complex method, I can turn out a pretty closed to wood fired pie. Leopard spots on bottom, as much or as little char as I want on top. It's far easier than managing a fire, and it keeps me out of the heat and mosquitos while I'm cooking.

I still love the things, but I'm convinced that our climate is not conducive to WFO use for too much of the year. I still need to convert my concrete block oven base into an outdoor firepit.....maybe when the weather cools off, I'll get it done.
Posted by BlackenedOut
The Big Sleazy
Member since Feb 2011
5807 posts
Posted on 7/22/20 at 11:09 am to
I'll second this. Have access to a wood fired pizza oven next door; I have used it once to make pizzas.

Have baking steel, use it twice a month to make damn good pizzas, breads, etc...

Go the simple route. A $90 baking steel and a hot oven will get you there.

ETA: HO, I leave broiler on the whole time. May try that next time, but have had good luck with stone about 4 inches from broiler
This post was edited on 7/22/20 at 11:12 am
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 7/22/20 at 1:20 pm to
Broiler on the entire time was excessively charring some toppings. Hence the switch on and off method.

I trekked to Vermont years ago to take a multi day class in WFO baking/pizzas. It was great...but I’m not tending a WFO in 95 degree/100% humidity weather.
Posted by TigerTaco
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2011
373 posts
Posted on 7/22/20 at 4:39 pm to
I build a Forno Brava Pompeii oven from the plans off their site. Let me know if you have questions related to that.
Posted by Gris Gris
OTIS!NO RULES FOR SAUCES ON STEAK!!
Member since Feb 2008
47402 posts
Posted on 7/22/20 at 4:40 pm to
I also love the baking steel. Learned about it on here years ago. If I didn't tell you I'd used the steel rather than a WFO, you wouldn't know.
Posted by BlackenedOut
The Big Sleazy
Member since Feb 2011
5807 posts
Posted on 7/22/20 at 4:44 pm to
Yeah I see that with some toppings (sun dried tomatoes, nuts, etc...) but try and adjust by adding at end of bake.
Posted by lsucm10
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
1313 posts
Posted on 7/23/20 at 10:34 am to
quote:

I build a Forno Brava Pompeii oven from the plans off their site. Let me know if you have questions related to that.


I was looking over those plans and noticed qty's. The slab requires 46ea 80# bags of mix. Did you rent a mixer or have someone else poor your slab? This is for the bigger oven. The 36" oven requires about the same amount as I have figured thus far. Where did you get all of your high temp supplies? I thought about the brick oven, because it looks awesome but my skill set is limited lol. I did see Flamsmith has a brick kit that they precut the bricks. Its tempting. I would like to see pictures of yours if you wanna post them here and here how the weather effects your oven if your from around this area.

Thanks
Posted by TigerTaco
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2011
373 posts
Posted on 7/23/20 at 8:41 pm to
When I poured the slab, I emptied half the bags on top of the plastic sheeting covering the ground. I added water and mixed it in place. I added rebar on top then mixed the remaining bags in a wheelbarrow. With a helper, I think we finished in about an hour. Later in the build, a friend let me borrow a mixer, but it was easier just to mix in a wheelbarrow. I used the home brew high temp mix, the fire clay came from a ceramic shop in the Mammoth Drive area and the lime came from the hardware store on Foster. That’s the only place I could find the right type of lime. I think the common stuff for agricultural use won’t work. Portland cement and sand came from Home Depot. It’s been a while so I may have fire brick brands wrong, but the Butler bricks around town are not as dense and uniform as the Halsey brand I bought in New Orleans. For a 42” oven I think I used 250 bricks. All that said, if I did it again I would strongly consider building a poured dome using refractory. The bricks look a lot better though. My dome is stucco. I added waterproofing to the mix, but it does get damp when it doesn’t have frequent use. To do a 90 second pizza cook, I do need to light a fire a day or two before to dry it out so that I get 900+ temps at the dome and 650 on the floor. I cook right on brick floor. Preheating isn’t necessary when I use it frequently. When it’s dry and I do a long/hot burn, the oven will still be a few hundred degrees days later. I bought the insulation from Distributors International in Gonzales. I have 3 to 4 inches of insulation board under the floor and a few inches of insulating cloth over the dome. That’s the key to holding in heat along with an insulated door. Email me at my screen name at g mail if you want some pics.
Posted by lsucm10
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
1313 posts
Posted on 7/24/20 at 9:42 am to
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