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re: No calories on menus ( yet)
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:00 pm to LNCHBOX
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:00 pm to LNCHBOX
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Government spending any sort of money making this happen is not worth the investment.
I'm unfamiliar with this new regulation, other than the fact that it is coming. Is this the case? Government pays for it?
I would have guessed it is just a new regulation that these chains must follow on their own dime. Or are you saying the resources involved in enforcing it?
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:01 pm to LouisianaLady
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Is this the case? Government pays for it?
no businesses do
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:03 pm to nwacajun
I know most people probably won't be bothered by this, but it certainly made me change my order at at Sonic in Texas recently 
had no idea those damn burgers were that high in calories
had no idea those damn burgers were that high in calories
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:14 pm to LNCHBOX
This is literally investing in the people of the U.S. and has potential to help empower people to the better themselves.
It would absolutely be very helpful and I do need the help; I celebrate (as in get excited.. not a literal celebration) anytime a restaurant offers their nutrition either online or on their menus.. even when it is a place like Rotolo's with insane calorie counts
Frankly, I don't care if it's on the menu itself, I just want it to be publicly available knowledge, even if it's just a shitty spreadsheet you can download.
I don't want to get too far into politics on the food board, but I believe this is a great thing. It's an investment in people, essentially. There will be plenty of people who use the information to their benefit; yes, there will also be plenty of people who don't.
I suppose it comes down to your view on people in general.
I imagine he means the whole legislative process and the time/resources it takes to get a new regulation passed.
No, he doesn't. And your estimation is far off, fyi.
Just to prove a point of why this is beneficial:
Burger King official nutrition:
Whopper with cheese - 710 calores (with mayo)
Medium french fry - 380 calories
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And you likely don't need the help since you pay attention to that stuff already.
It would absolutely be very helpful and I do need the help; I celebrate (as in get excited.. not a literal celebration) anytime a restaurant offers their nutrition either online or on their menus.. even when it is a place like Rotolo's with insane calorie counts
Frankly, I don't care if it's on the menu itself, I just want it to be publicly available knowledge, even if it's just a shitty spreadsheet you can download.
I don't want to get too far into politics on the food board, but I believe this is a great thing. It's an investment in people, essentially. There will be plenty of people who use the information to their benefit; yes, there will also be plenty of people who don't.
I suppose it comes down to your view on people in general.
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I would have guessed it is just a new regulation that these chains must follow on their own dime. Or are you saying the resources involved in enforcing it?
I imagine he means the whole legislative process and the time/resources it takes to get a new regulation passed.
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joe fatass doesn't realize that whopper with fries is 700 calories
No, he doesn't. And your estimation is far off, fyi.
Just to prove a point of why this is beneficial:
Burger King official nutrition:
Whopper with cheese - 710 calores (with mayo)
Medium french fry - 380 calories
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:21 pm to Hulkklogan
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This is literally investing in the people of the U.S. and has potential to help empower people to the better themselves.
It's a waste. Spend it on something else. The guy in line at McDonalds isn't not ordering the double quarter pounder he's there for because of some numbers next to it.
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Frankly, I don't care if it's on the menu itself, I just want it to be publicly available knowledge, even if it's just a shitty spreadsheet you can download.
It all is already.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:22 pm to LNCHBOX
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It's a waste. Spend it on something else. The guy in line at McDonalds isn't not ordering the double quarter pounder he's there for because of some numbers next to it.
What 'spending' are you talking about? Businesses will have to front the cost of getting nutritional testing done.
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It all is already.
No it's not. Most major chains have this, but not all restaurants.. not by a long shot.
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:23 pm to Hulkklogan
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Just to prove a point of why this is beneficial
And here's some actual proof that there is no actual benefit.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:25 pm to Hulkklogan
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What 'spending' are you talking about? Businesses will have to front the cost of getting nutritional testing done.
You think all this regulation is coming at no cost? I'm sure legislators just work for free and don't have more productive things they could be working on.
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No it's not. Most major chains have this, but not all restaurants.. not by a long shot.
Oh well. I can find almost everything I eat on any of several nutrition apps. We don't need the government doing anything to get the rest.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:29 pm to LNCHBOX
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You think all this regulation is coming at no cost? I'm sure legislators just work for free and don't have more productive things they could be working on.
The legislators are paid whether they are working on this or are working on something else. Hell, they are getting paid even if they're doing nothing. That's not a valid point of expense, in my opinion.
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Oh well. I can find almost everything I eat on any of several nutrition apps. We don't need the government doing anything to get the rest.
Most of what's in MFP that's not verified is inaccurate garbage. Restaurants almost always have way more calories in their food than something you'd cook at home. You can't just simply enter the ingredients you think are in the food; most restaurants are not concerned with calorie counts so they cram food with cheese, butter, oil, sugar, etc. Most restaurants will also not provide this kind of information without government making them.
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:31 pm to Hulkklogan
quote:Well that's ridiculous.
That's not a valid point of expense, in my opinion.
quote:Well the logical answer to get correct info is clearly the fricking government.
Most of what's in MFP that's not verified is inaccurate garbage
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You can't just simply enter the ingredients you think are in the food; most restaurants are not concerned with calorie counts so they cram food with cheese, butter, oil, sugar, etc.
And you think the government will take care of all that?
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:35 pm to LNCHBOX
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Well the logical answer to get correct info is clearly the fricking government.
How else do you propose getting restaurants to have their food nutritionally tested and put on public display?
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And you think the government will take care of all that?
No, the government will make the restaurants have their food nutritionally tested and the results available. This isn't to stop restaurants from making delicious, calorie-dense food, it's to help people educate themselves.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:37 pm to Hulkklogan
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How else do you propose getting restaurants to have their food nutritionally tested and put on public display?
I don't. Eat out as a treat. Don't eat obviously terribly for you food regularly. You don't need the government to be healthy.
Just like the calorie displays aren't working in fast food restaurants. Fatties are gonna fattie regardless.
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No, the government will make
Let me just stop you here. The government did a great job of regulating the emissions of VW, didn't they?
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:41 pm to Hulkklogan
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Hulkklogan
Agree completely. Nutritional information online is how I learned I could get fast food if I wanted and still not be going crazy in calories.
I'm not "Joe fatass", but if I saw that I could get two regular hamburgers and a side salad from McDonalds for 500 calories vs. the 930 it would be to get it with cheese added and the standard medium fries, I'd be glad to know I can at least have the option of not blowing my entire day's calories just because I went to McDonalds.
I don't need it on the menu necessarily either, but it sure is easier than downloading the shitty PDF on my phone in the parking lot.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:45 pm to LNCHBOX
I honestly don't know anything about their emissions regulations for VW, and that is irrelevant to the topic of getting restaurants to have their foods nutritionally tested.
The amount of money it costs to get that legislation passed has got to be insignificant compared to the amount of money we, as a country, spend on so many other things.
The amount of money it costs to get that legislation passed has got to be insignificant compared to the amount of money we, as a country, spend on so many other things.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:51 pm to Hulkklogan
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and that is irrelevant to the topic of getting restaurants to have their foods nutritionally tested.
The government being shitty at things is entirely relevant to you wanting them to spend time and money for something that's not going to make a difference.
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The amount of money it costs to get that legislation passed has got to be insignificant compared to the amount of money we, as a country, spend on so many other things.
With that logic, the government should just give me $200k tax free a year. It's just a drop in the bucket, right?
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:57 pm to LNCHBOX
The bottom line is it would cost the taxpayers very little and it has potential to benefit millions of people. The fact that some percentage of the population would ignore the calories counts is small potatoes to me. If even 10% of the population finds some benefit to it, then it's worth the small amount of money it takes to pass the legislation in my opinion.
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With that logic, the government should just give me $200k tax free a year. It's just a drop in the bucket, right?
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:58 pm to LNCHBOX
I mean, nutritional information is already required. These companies already have teams dedicated to that. Is asking them to print it on the menu and that it be more accurate that big of a financial strain? It isn't like they don't serve the same thing in all their stores. The government isn't going out to 5000 locations of McDonalds to enforce this, I imagine.
I guess I just don't see where this sounds like such a huge financial reach, but maybe I'm off. I'm honestly surprised by the reaction in here. This never occurred to me as something anyone would be against.
I guess I just don't see where this sounds like such a huge financial reach, but maybe I'm off. I'm honestly surprised by the reaction in here. This never occurred to me as something anyone would be against.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 4:01 pm to Hulkklogan
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The bottom line is it would cost the taxpayers very little and it has potential to benefit millions of people.
SO you're just going to keep ignoring that the cal displays aren't showing any benefit?
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The fact that some percentage of the population would ignore the calories counts is small potatoes to me.
It's more than a small percentage.
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If even 10% of the population finds some benefit to it, then it's worth the small amount of money it takes to pass the legislation in my opinion.
The net gain according to a study was 0. Zero.
Post something that makes a case for it not being a total waste.
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I love a good emoticon response when you have nothing legit to say.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 4:03 pm to LouisianaLady
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I mean, nutritional information is already required. These companies already have teams dedicated to that.
So we need nothing else then.
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Is asking them to print it on the menu and that it be more accurate that big of a financial strain?
So far it has shown to have no effect. So any financial strain is not warranted IMO.
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I guess I just don't see where this sounds like such a huge financial reach, but maybe I'm off. I'm honestly surprised by the reaction in here. This never occurred to me as something anyone would be against.
Why would I be for government spending that has shown to not provide any tangible benefit? This is the definition of feel good legislation that is a total waste. Why would anyone not be against it?
Posted on 5/2/17 at 4:08 pm to LNCHBOX
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The net gain according to a study was 0. Zero
0 calories changed per order, sure, but that doesn't mean people didn't find the information useful or helpful. It means that the people who visited the studied restaurants kept ordering about the same amount of calories; no surprise, people kept ordering what they want. What about people who used that information to go to another restaurant that had healthier/lower calorie options, or stayed at home and cooked?
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So we need nothing else then.
I'll be honest, I wasn't aware that having nutrition information available was a legal requirement at this point. There are still a lot of places that don't have it and when I ask for it they can't provide it. Hell, freaking Salad Shop is one of them. A salad place.. boggles my mind.
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I love a good emoticon response when you have nothing legit to say.
I gave you an emoticon because that statement was too asinine for a real response.
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 4:10 pm
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