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re: Homebrewing Thread: Volume II
Posted on 5/29/20 at 1:29 pm to BigDropper
Posted on 5/29/20 at 1:29 pm to BigDropper
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Did you steep the zest in a neutral spirit to help extract flavor & sanitize the zest? Is that even necessary?
No, I chucked it in the boil for the last ten minutes to sanitize it. I tasted and smelled the wort that I took my OG from and the orange zest contributed a lot of aroma at that time. I have no idea if a neutral spirit would have affected this. At this point I did note a somewhat oily sheen to the top of the wort prior to pitching and aerating. I hypothesized that this is from the oils in the zest or possibly hops.
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Did you pull the fruit after a set number of days or did you taste test the beer until you were happy with the flavor?
As bug said, no I did not. I added the flesh after one week when primary fermentation was complete. I had reached my predicted FG. I left it on the flesh for two weeks without tasting it. After two weeks of fermenting on flesh I tasted it and was happy, so I racked to bottling bucket and bottled. I did not find myself wishing I had left it longer. I have no idea how much more orange flavor I could have attained.
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Did the yeast react to any of the naturally occurring sugars in the fruit flesh & kick off another fermentation?
My gravity after primary was 1.012. After two weeks of fermenting on flesh the Final gravity was 1.015, so the fruit did contribute a few points. I did not make any notes about vigorous airlock activity during this stage. I overpitched my yeast and had krausen residue at least 2 feet up the blowoff tube so I have no doubt that the yeast were still active when I added fruit, but to what degree I have no idea.
I reviewed the grain bill and mine was 6lbs white wheat and 3 lbs 2 row with 8oz carapils and some acid malt for mash pH. My only hops were an oz of 4.3aau liberty for 14.2IBUs
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:32 pm to BugAC
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BugAC
Appreciate the feedback brother!
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puffulufogous
Thanks, I'm really trying to dial in my process for fruiting beer & this helped!
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:05 pm to CarRamrod
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man, there is a reason citra is king.
No doubt. I'm not the biggest hop head in the world, but citra is great. It's almost a cheat code for a great beer.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 9:14 am to puffulufogous
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My gravity after primary was 1.012. After two weeks of fermenting on flesh the Final gravity was 1.015, so the fruit did contribute a few points.
Just a note on this. You can’t accurately predict your FG this way if you are looking for true alcohol content. Fruit is comprised of mostly water and sugar, so you are essentially adding small unfermented wort receptacles into an already fermented out beer. So as you add fruit, theoretically, both your OG will rise, and then you have to recalculate for the % of fermentation of the fruit And that not 100% of the sugars in the fruit will ferment out (depending on yeast strain)
. There is an online calculator for fruiting sours that can do this, but it’s confusing. Depending on the amount of fruit, I usually take my FG pre-fruited and add maybe 1/2 of a percent if you want to know your numbers. I stopped taking gravity readings completely once I fruit my beer, and just realize that my abv will be slightly lower than measured.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 12:28 pm to BugAC
interesting. I honestly wasn't that worried about abv after fruiting. I noted the pre fruit gravity only to make sure my process was yielding a product close to what beersmith predicted. I.e. no wild yeast, good mash efficiency, adequate pitch rate.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 1:29 pm to BigDropper
My second brew consisted of a milk porter that was inspired by my flavor memory of Creature Comforts Koko Buni which is a coconut, coffee, & chocolate milk porter. I chose to omit the coconut to focus on the coffee & chocolate. I think I really overcomplicated the recipe. I need to brew it & taste it without adjuncts to see where my base flavor is.
The recipe is 63% Marris Otter, 2% chocolate malt, 2% chocolate rye malt, 4% biscuit malt, 3% black patent malt, 6% flaked oats, 6% lactose & #1 rice hulls. Oats were toasted, single layer in a 200°F oven, until fragrant (8-12 minutes). I used boiled tap water to remove chloramine & because my tap water profile works well with darker beers.
Mashed in @ 160 for 1:20 then transferred & brought to a boil. Hopped with 6oz Willamette @ 60 minutes & 1.25 oz EKG hops @ 15 minutes respectively. Irish moss went in with the EKG too. I cooled to 170 & whirlpooled #2 of dark cocoa powder mixed into the the #1 lactose for 30 minutes. Both carboys received 1pk of WLP002. After terminal gravity was reached, I then added 2oz of fresh ground coffee beans to one carboy & 4oz toasted cacao nibs steeped for 24 hours in vodka to the other. Each sat on their respective flavorings for 5 days & received #1 lactose @ bottling.
This is possibly one of the better beers (as far a taster response and personal opinion) that I've brewed. Of course I'm more critical and scrutinize on a much stricter criteria than 1) does it taste like beer & 2) does it feel like beer.
The coffee beer had good coffee flavor but may have stayed too long on the coffee beans which left a very faint, yet detectable bitter finish. The chocolate could have used more cacao nibs & some additional chocolate flavor. The beers worked well together when mixed in 50/50 in a glass.
I have 2 1L barrels that I age & blend in. One strictly holds bourbon & the other tequila. 60% coffee beer & 40% chocolate beer along with 1 vanilla bean steeped in vanilla vodka went into the bourbon barrel & 60% chocolate & 40% coffee along with 1 vanilla bean steeped in vanilla vodka went into the tequila.
Looking forward to the right time to open them!
The recipe is 63% Marris Otter, 2% chocolate malt, 2% chocolate rye malt, 4% biscuit malt, 3% black patent malt, 6% flaked oats, 6% lactose & #1 rice hulls. Oats were toasted, single layer in a 200°F oven, until fragrant (8-12 minutes). I used boiled tap water to remove chloramine & because my tap water profile works well with darker beers.
Mashed in @ 160 for 1:20 then transferred & brought to a boil. Hopped with 6oz Willamette @ 60 minutes & 1.25 oz EKG hops @ 15 minutes respectively. Irish moss went in with the EKG too. I cooled to 170 & whirlpooled #2 of dark cocoa powder mixed into the the #1 lactose for 30 minutes. Both carboys received 1pk of WLP002. After terminal gravity was reached, I then added 2oz of fresh ground coffee beans to one carboy & 4oz toasted cacao nibs steeped for 24 hours in vodka to the other. Each sat on their respective flavorings for 5 days & received #1 lactose @ bottling.
This is possibly one of the better beers (as far a taster response and personal opinion) that I've brewed. Of course I'm more critical and scrutinize on a much stricter criteria than 1) does it taste like beer & 2) does it feel like beer.
The coffee beer had good coffee flavor but may have stayed too long on the coffee beans which left a very faint, yet detectable bitter finish. The chocolate could have used more cacao nibs & some additional chocolate flavor. The beers worked well together when mixed in 50/50 in a glass.
I have 2 1L barrels that I age & blend in. One strictly holds bourbon & the other tequila. 60% coffee beer & 40% chocolate beer along with 1 vanilla bean steeped in vanilla vodka went into the bourbon barrel & 60% chocolate & 40% coffee along with 1 vanilla bean steeped in vanilla vodka went into the tequila.
Looking forward to the right time to open them!
Posted on 5/30/20 at 5:02 pm to BigDropper
Wow that does sound complicated. Maybe consider cold brew coffee concentrate instead of beans. The cold brew really cuts bitterness and acidity in my experience.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 8:45 pm to puffulufogous
How long does it take y’all to go from kettle to glass? Maybe I’m too inpatient but it usually takes me 7-10 days. I brewed a NEIPA last Saturday dry hopping went in Monday, it was done fermenting on Wednesday, Cold crashed it on Friday and I kegged it today.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 8:57 pm to BigPerm30
I'm typically two weeks for standard gravity ales and 3-5 weeks for lagers. Really just depends on how busy life is and what my keg situation is.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 9:02 pm to BottomlandBrew
Am I rushing it? I use liquid yeast with fairly big starters and they run through my wort in two to three days. Most of my beers are around 6 to 7%.
Posted on 5/31/20 at 7:44 am to BigPerm30
To me, a young IPA is harsh. I'm not saying age it, but give it some time. I think even my two weeks is sometimes too short to be drinking. There is such a huge difference between a freshly kegged beer and a keg that's had a week or two more to mellow.
Posted on 5/31/20 at 9:11 am to BottomlandBrew
So I haven’t brewed in about 2 months. Probably a result of brewing 4 beers in 2 months previously. Kinda burned myself out temporarily. I’m watching beerland now and despite how awful a host Meg is, this show has me itching to brew again. Also, a lot of the brewing is happening in colder weather and that is my absolute favorite tome to brew.
I was reading an article on the classic pale ale and think I may brew one. Haven’t brewed an old school west coast pale since maybe my 4th homebrew (some 10 years ago). Want to kind of take what I’ve learned from hopping hazy pales and apply some of those techniques to a west coast style pale. Chico strain yeast, no bio trans hops, but loads of whirlpool and dry hops.
Also have a few blender batches to brew for my sours. So it’ll likely be a double brew day.
I was reading an article on the classic pale ale and think I may brew one. Haven’t brewed an old school west coast pale since maybe my 4th homebrew (some 10 years ago). Want to kind of take what I’ve learned from hopping hazy pales and apply some of those techniques to a west coast style pale. Chico strain yeast, no bio trans hops, but loads of whirlpool and dry hops.
Also have a few blender batches to brew for my sours. So it’ll likely be a double brew day.
This post was edited on 5/31/20 at 9:12 am
Posted on 5/31/20 at 3:11 pm to BugAC
Smithsonian magazine article on Charlie Papazian
Was an interesting read. Crazy to hear about how far the brewing industry has come in the last 50 years.
Was an interesting read. Crazy to hear about how far the brewing industry has come in the last 50 years.
Posted on 5/31/20 at 8:11 pm to puffulufogous
Bottled my strawberry and blueberry wines. Been bulk aging for 2 years.


Posted on 5/31/20 at 8:18 pm to thedrumdoctor
Damn dude that's commitment. I couldn't wait 2 years for a case and a half of wine. Hope it's awesome
Posted on 5/31/20 at 8:34 pm to puffulufogous
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Damn dude that's commitment. I couldn't wait 2 years for a case and a half of wine. Hope it's awesome
I can’t wait 7 days for a keg of beer.
This is my NEIPA. Azacca and Idaho 7. 4 oz at whirlpool and 10oz dry hopped. It is drinking pretty damn good for being green.
Posted on 5/31/20 at 8:46 pm to puffulufogous
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Damn dude that's commitment. I couldn't wait 2 years for a case and a half of wine
It's a game of patience for sure, and I'll admit, sometimes I forgot about it. But it is well worth the wait.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 9:21 am to puffulufogous
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Maybe consider cold brew coffee concentrate
Will look into it. I recently started watching Genus Brewing YouTube videos and they recommend adding whole bean after fermentation has slowed or finished. They were specifically referring to the coffee Kölsch they brew. The idea is that the whole beans impart a fresh coffee flavor without adding color. I'm not too worried about the color, especially in a dark beer.
They also recommended leaving the beer on the coffee for a maximum of 48 hours to avoid picking up astringent favors & bitterness.
Any of you homebrewers use cold brew concentrate in beer before? What was the result? How/ when did you add it to the beer?
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:30 am to BigDropper
I haven't tried it yet, but that sounds like the ideal way to me. It's concentrated so it doesn't add a ton of volume. The cold brew method is less bitter and acidic. Cold brew also has the benefit of making mediocre coffee taste like good coffee. That might save you a few dollars on your brewing costs as well.
Speaking of dark beers I would love to make an oatmeal cream pie Porter or stout. Was thinking oatmeal in the grain bill and fermenting on mashed up OCPs. I've seen people add lactose before bottling and before fermenting. What's the difference?
Speaking of dark beers I would love to make an oatmeal cream pie Porter or stout. Was thinking oatmeal in the grain bill and fermenting on mashed up OCPs. I've seen people add lactose before bottling and before fermenting. What's the difference?
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:31 am to puffulufogous
When I'm doing an oatmeal stout I add the lactose in the last 10 mins of the boil. You need the hot wort to dissolve the lactose.
The only thing I add before bottling is priming sugar. My biggest worry about adding lactose at that time would be it wouldn't mix well enough.
The only thing I add before bottling is priming sugar. My biggest worry about adding lactose at that time would be it wouldn't mix well enough.
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