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re: Homebrewing: In-Process Thread
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:00 am to SouthOfSouth
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:00 am to SouthOfSouth
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Yea. I'm a few chapters in. Not bad stuff. Starting to try and see what it would take to open up a brew pub type thing. See how viable an option it is.
Well, i wouldn't read that book for business idea's. Seems like he got very lucky numerous times as far as acquiring capitol and brewing equipment. He also used to play a shell game with credit cards, transferring the debt from one to another as soon as they started paying interest. I actually got discouraged after reading this. But 1 thing remains, after all the brew books i've read. As long as you make a great beer, are concerned about quality, and believe in your beer, then you can succeed. The key is making back that profit to keep the creditors off your back. That seemed like the biggest obstacle for Lagunitas.
But i did buy this book as a result, but have yet to read it. It's more of a "highlight and take notes" workbook than reading material.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 11:05 am
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:02 am to LSURoss
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Are stouts a longer process?
No. It all depends on the yeast. My oatmeal stout, i used WLP004 (irish ale) and i lost 1/4 of a gallon due to blow off. I had to empty my fermentation fridge and clean up about a 1/4 inch of beer out the bottom. The most aggressive fermentation i've ever seen.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:30 am to s14suspense
Oh yeah, smacked that bag and 3 hours later it was swole up 
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:46 pm to BugAC
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Well, i wouldn't read that book for business idea's. Seems like he got very lucky numerous times as far as acquiring capitol and brewing equipment. He also used to play a shell game with credit cards, transferring the debt from one to another as soon as they started paying interest. I actually got discouraged after reading this. But 1 thing remains, after all the brew books i've read. As long as you make a great beer, are concerned about quality, and believe in your beer, then you can succeed. The key is making back that profit to keep the creditors off your back. That seemed like the biggest obstacle for Lagunitas.
But i did buy this book as a result, but have yet to read it. It's more of a "highlight and take notes" workbook than reading material.
Is that the $100 book that I almost bought but wanted to try some of the cheeper reads first? haha.
Yea I just wanted to hear some stories about brewery's. I am a finance major and master and my father owned a successful business for 25 years. I've been around business my whole life and been part of some. At this point I just wanted to hear some of the issues that arise that I may not be thinking of due to different regulations and such. Still years out, but wanted to start reading some stuff.
I read a book on nanobreweries that really appealed to me, but Louisiana law makes starting one tough. Either way, I have a few ideas for options and I know some people who could help out with some of the issues.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:31 pm to SouthOfSouth
I just finished cooking a batch of a clone of Deschutes - The Abyss. I've never tried the actual beer but it has rave reviews on beer advocate. The wort that came out of the mash tun tasted awesome. I can't wait until fermenting and carbonation is done, in about 7-8 weeks.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:30 pm to SouthOfSouth
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Is that the $100 book t
Yes.
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I read a book on nanobreweries that really appealed to me, but Louisiana law makes starting one tough. Either way, I have a few ideas for options and I know some people who could help out with some of the issues.
As do I. Of course i've had friends of mine asking me how much would it take for you to start your own brewery. I throw out a range of about 500k minimum. I've researched brew house's and such. I think you can get a 30 bbl system for about 200k (i can't remember the article I read). But when i get stressed out at work, i start thinking that i need to really read that book. I may start tonight.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:40 pm to BugAC
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As do I. Of course i've had friends of mine asking me how much would it take for you to start your own brewery. I throw out a range of about 500k minimum. I've researched brew house's and such. I think you can get a 30 bbl system for about 200k (i can't remember the article I read). But when i get stressed out at work, i start thinking that i need to really read that book. I may start tonight.
Yea. Large systems are very expensive. In Louisiana there is such a thing as a microbrewery liscnese that allows you to sell 100% of your beer inhouse, which would make markup significant enough to not need to sell a million bottles. The biggest problem is for some reason with a microbrew liscense you must stay below 6% ABV... At least that's what I got out of the law statutes I read.
Still an interesting concept to get a 4-5 bbl system and sell all in house. If you could find a decent spot it could be pretty cool.
Still not 100% on Louisiana law but it's just part of the education of brewing Im trying to master in the next 5 years.
Some interpretation of the Louisiana Law
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:42 pm to SouthOfSouth
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. At this point I just wanted to hear some of the issues that arise that I may not be thinking of due to different regulations and such
Well that Lagunitas book definitely has some of those stories. The undercover Ale story behind the brew is pretty interesting.
And all of the regulations in California are pretty unreasonable. But again, he started late 90's, so the full liberalism of California wasn't completely in full swing.
I want to find a source for brewery laws in Louisiana, and in particular Baton Rouge.
Wait a minute. I don't live in BR, technically. I'm part of the St. George area. Maybe i just found a regulations loop hole. Hmmm....
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:44 pm to SouthOfSouth
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The biggest problem is for some reason with a microbrew liscense you must stay below 6% ABV... At least that's what I got out of the law statutes I read.
This was my interpretation of the law as well, but apparently Old Rail Brewing Co in Mandeville has a microbrewery license and their IPA is 7% ABV.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:44 pm to SouthOfSouth
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Still an interesting concept to get a 4-5 bbl system and sell all in house. If you could find a decent spot it could be pretty cool.
From everything i've read though, nanobreweries are rarely successful, in terms of making a living off of it. I believe the recommended starting point was between 15-30 bbls.
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Still not 100% on Louisiana law but it's just part of the education of brewing Im trying to master in the next 5 years
Same here. Hopefully we will both have our own breweries going in 5 years time.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:46 pm to BugAC
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From everything i've read though, nanobreweries are rarely successful, in terms of making a living off of it. I believe the recommended starting point was between 15-30 bbls.
Yea I've read that before to, but honestly if you get the right situation I think it could be.
My mother is thinking about opening a store and was talking about having a brewpub attached to draw customers. She would be willing to give me very low rent... Things like that could easily make it possible.
If you just think about how much it costs to make beer and how much you could sell it for at a bar, I think it could be successful, even after paying licensing fees.
I've also thought if you could manage to run a nano for 2-3 years, you could actually get a small business loan for large production equipment. At least then you'd be able to show a bank that you have run a business selling your beer.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:50 pm to SouthOfSouth
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If you just think about how much it costs to make beer and how much you could sell it for at a bar, I think it could be successful, even after paying licensing fees.
I guess it depends on your situation and what resources you can take advantage of.
Personally, i'd rather open a brewery over a brew pub. I like the idea of having my product selling all over the country.
But before i get ahead of myself, i'd like to enter a few competitions first. Also, i have quite a few ideas for upcoming brews, and I also want to go back and fine tune the brews I made that were really good.
I also want to give some of you guys some of my beers to see what y'all think.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:51 pm to BugAC
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From everything i've read though, nanobreweries are rarely successful, in terms of making a living off of it. I believe the recommended starting point was between 15-30 bbls.
You can be successful on a 5-7bbl system as long as you are able to sell directly to the customer.
If you have to go through a distributor, then it becomes almost impossible.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:53 pm to BugAC
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Personally, i'd rather open a brewery over a brew pub. I like the idea of having my product selling all over the country.
But before i get ahead of myself, i'd like to enter a few competitions first. Also, i have quite a few ideas for upcoming brews, and I also want to go back and fine tune the brews I made that were really good.
I also want to give some of you guys some of my beers to see what y'all think.
All the same. I'd love to open a brewery, but I feel like the $ involved is too high at this point. Manage a nano and build a business plan and I think loans would be possible to obtain.
To get licenses for Micro it is gonna cost you $1,070 for both brewing and retail /yr. That's not bad.
You can brew up to 12,500 gallons per year with that license as long as your beer is under 6% and is 100% sold retail for consumption.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:41 pm to SouthOfSouth
What kind of tubing does everyone use to go from boil kettle to carboy or mash tun to boil kettle?
seems like that silicone tubing is hard to come by.
seems like that silicone tubing is hard to come by.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:47 pm to s14suspense
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:48 pm to s14suspense
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boil kettle to carboy
Gravity and a funnel with 2 filters.
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mash tun to boil kettle
Some high temperature off-white colored silicone tubing.
But again, i use the gravity setup (which is no longer the rickety brick setup).
Hey, that's a good name for a brewery. Rickety Brick Brewing Company.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:50 pm to s14suspense
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seems like that silicone tubing is hard to come by.
Really? I use silicone---- Morebeer tubing
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:52 pm to BugAC
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Hopefully we will both have our own breweries going in 5 years time.
If I were thinking about starting my own brewery, I would volunteer to work in one to learn all I could.
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