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Gumbo vs Stew vs Soup...What's the difference?

Posted on 2/11/12 at 5:10 pm
Posted by LSUPHILLY72
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Posted on 2/11/12 at 5:10 pm
What makes a gumbo a gumbo and not a stew or just a soup?

Many dishes are made with roux but are not gumbo's.
Many soups have shrimp and/or crab but are not gumbo's?
Many stews have chicken and/or sausage but are not gumbo's?

What makes gumbo a gumbo?



Posted by CITWTT
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Posted on 2/11/12 at 5:15 pm to
Go take a lookie at the method of cookery and ingredients involved. What makes a bisque?
Posted by LSUPHILLY72
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Posted on 2/11/12 at 5:41 pm to
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Go take a lookie at the method of cookery and ingredients involved. What makes a bisque?


Is that your way of saying you don't know?
Posted by CITWTT
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Posted on 2/11/12 at 5:45 pm to
It is not a matter of not knowing, it a matter of not being able to convince you of what gumbo is over the interweb.
Posted by Ole Geauxt
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Posted on 2/11/12 at 5:49 pm to
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Is that your way of saying you don't know?

be careful philly, i believe Cit used to cook for a fairly famous military man..
Posted by TigerSpy
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Posted on 2/11/12 at 5:52 pm to
a stew is thicker for one.
okra does not a gumbo make.
It's gotta have a good quality roux, the body of a soup rather than a stew.
Posted by LSUPHILLY72
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Posted on 2/11/12 at 6:02 pm to
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It is not a matter of not knowing, it a matter of not being able to convince you of what gumbo is over the interweb.



To me gumbo is a soup made with a dark roux and okra (or file) as thickeners. Pretty much anything else can be put in there.

If you have a roux without the okra(file) its a stew or another dish.

Others think gumbo doesn't need okra (file) and I wonder where they learned that and why they think that?
Posted by CITWTT
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Posted on 2/11/12 at 6:09 pm to
I prefer princesses, they are cuter than generals( don't count Prince Chucks sister in that mix).
Posted by Jason9782003
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Posted on 2/11/12 at 6:37 pm to
quote:

Many dishes are made with roux but are not gumbo's.
Many soups have shrimp and/or crab but are not gumbo's?
Many stews have chicken and/or sausage but are not gumbo's?


And many dishes have okra but are not gumbos
This post was edited on 2/11/12 at 6:39 pm
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 2/11/12 at 6:47 pm to
I'm going with a soup with the roux as simply a thickener much like a blonde roux is to a basic cream soup base. Additionally, when you look up a bisque it's found under soups.


Posted by OTIS2
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Posted on 2/11/12 at 6:55 pm to
I will refrain from further comment in this thread due to involvment of the "s" word.
Posted by LSUPHILLY72
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Posted on 2/11/12 at 7:03 pm to
So there is no definitive answer?

And yes...soups can have okra and not be a gumbo...but if it is a dark roux based soup with okra...then its a gumbo!
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 2/11/12 at 7:29 pm to
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So there is no definitive answer?


The Professional Chef, by the Culinary Institute of America calls Seafood Gumbo a soup. I see no reason to think otherwise.



This post was edited on 2/11/12 at 7:31 pm
Posted by OTIS2
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Posted on 2/11/12 at 7:47 pm to
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The Professional Chef, by the Culinary Institute of America calls Seafood Gumbo a soup. I see no reason to think otherwise.
I do. Maybe those sumbitches don't know shite about gumbo.
Posted by LSUPHILLY72
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Posted on 2/11/12 at 8:38 pm to
Gumbo is a soup!

The question is...what makes shrimp and crab soup different from shrimp and crab "GUMBO"?
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 2/11/12 at 9:04 pm to
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I do. Maybe those sumbitches don't know shite about gumbo


Because, like us in South Louisiana, they practice cooking techniques that the French laid out for us years ago that we all follow?

I mean, I'm no cullinary metallurgist, magician, or jedi warrior. I can't make new shite up out of thin air, other than practicing perhaps some molecular gastronomy I suppose, and Gumbo isn't molecular gastronomy. I, like everyone else, learn and practice basic techniques that the French and to a lesser degree the Italians set forth in cooking which is the influence behind American food in general and without question South Louisiana food. I'd say that the Culinary Institute of America is probably a more authoritative voice on what constitutes a gumbo in it's elements than Jolie Hebert down on a bayou. Hebert probably makes a mean gumbo, but he's a good ole boy who probably isn't very familiar with every element involved in pulling off proper French cooking. "He jus know what his pappy told him how to pull off a good gumbo yeah." The CIA is an authority on proper French technique, as are other schools of the like. If you ask a French chef what a gumbo is I put cold hard cash he says it's a soup. I honestly can't believe this is debate. What would make it NOT a soup?
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 2/11/12 at 9:08 pm to
quote:

The question is...what makes shrimp and crab soup different from shrimp and crab "GUMBO"?



IDK, the roux being a thickener for the soup? Can't say I've ever made one to be honest.

Similar to your original question regarding if it's a soup or a stew though, what makes a chicken stew a chicken stew and not a chicken gumbo?


Posted by glassman
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Posted on 2/11/12 at 9:13 pm to
If it tastes good eat it.
Posted by Ole Geauxt
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Posted on 2/12/12 at 7:53 am to
quote:

I prefer princesses, they are cuter than generals
i was refering to George Custer..
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 2/12/12 at 9:23 am to
A few years ago I started making a small amount of roux when cooking stew. Works great.
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