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Posted on 5/30/18 at 1:37 pm to tduecen
quote:i think 40 Arpent closing was more lack of the business side of things rather than market saturation.
It is inching towards saturation which is why you see some areas closing (40 Arpent
quote:no knock on 5150 but brewing on 1/4 bbl-1bbl systems is completely different than brewing on 15-30 bbl systems. and you dont just multiply your bill by 15x-30x. Thats the major learning curve when opening if the growing pains of brewing your first few batches on the new system
As I said, everything I've had (only 3 beers) from them has been really good and if they would open today they would be above Mudbugs, Southern Craft, Covington, Second Line, and a few other of the larger places.
This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 5/30/18 at 1:39 pm to CarRamrod
im sure they are aware of that
Posted on 5/30/18 at 1:42 pm to fightin tigers
quote:i agree. But in those cities they have the option to sell a few cases of beer of the local package store or a keg or 2 to a bar on the other side of the city if they so wish.
Depends. Stuff isn't selling on the shelf, but that doesn't mean there is a saturation problem with breweries. It means that there is too much beer distribution.
You can't take a city like Portland or Fort Collins and talk about how many breweries they have compared to the entire state of Louisiana. Most of the breweries you are talking about barely leave their property. In Louisiana everyone is trying to be Abita with distribution and having a strong marketing campaign when they first open.
In LA that option is not available. SO it is either be a distribution brewery with the chance to make some actual coin, or be a brewpub and your stuff is ONLY at your bar. Which the income isnt nearly as enticing. And you are only making money as long as your seats are filled. Everyone knows hoe BR is, the new place is the bomb until the new new place opens and the new place is forgotten.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 1:47 pm to J Murdah
quote:i never said they werent. I was trying to tell that guy comparing a small batch of homebrew to commercially brewed beer is ridiculous. The guys at Southern Craft were winning awards hand over foot with their beers..... and look at that they do on the market.
im sure they are aware of that
with entering these contests you control every variable and can serve a beer at the optimum age, temp, carb level.
I point out to the people that come over and drink my stuff, the taste differences as the beer ages. something you cant really control when you are distributing. Which is GREAT for small breweries brewing the NEIPAs and why a national chain brewery will fail with this style. The youth of this style is key for the flavor.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 1:54 pm to CarRamrod
quote:Sure they know, one of the guys was brewing with Bottle Logic who has won several homebrew competitions and I believe they are looking to brew on a larger system as well (Longrow?)
no knock on 5150 but brewing on 1/4 bbl-1bbl systems is completely different than brewing on 15-30 bbl systems. and you dont just multiply your bill by 15x-30x. Thats the major learning curve when opening if the growing pains of brewing your first few batches on the new system
Posted on 5/30/18 at 1:57 pm to CarRamrod
quote:really now? because the brewer seems to refuse to brew a real hazy IPA and hates any criticism of his beer, 5150 ask people to be honest so that they can tweak their recipe.
The guys at Southern Craft were winning awards hand over foot with their beers..... and look at that they do on the market.
I don't remember the brewer from Southern Craft winning any homebrew competitions although I am limited to the last 5 years. No idea what he did before that and no idea if he won ZAPPS since I usually only attend Nola On Tap
Posted on 5/30/18 at 2:01 pm to tduecen
quote:why are you taking what i am saying like i am criticizing 5150?
really now? because the brewer seems to refuse to brew a real hazy IPA and hates any criticism of his beer, 5150 ask people to be honest so that they can tweak their recipe.
quote:did you talk to him.
because the brewer seems to refuse to brew a real hazy IPA and hates any criticism of his beer
quote:every aspiring home brewer does this. Trust me i and right there doing the same thing.
5150 ask people to be honest so that they can tweak their recipe.
quote:mostlikely over 5 yeas ago, but zapps and NOT arent the only competitions. There are bottle competitions almost every month.
I don't remember the brewer from Southern Craft winning any homebrew competitions although I am limited to the last 5 years. No idea what he did before that and no idea if he won ZAPPS since I usually only attend Nola On Tap
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 2:04 pm to CarRamrod
quote:because it seems like it is
why are you taking what i am saying like i am criticizing 5150?
quote:yup, which is one of the reasons I will never be back or purchase their product again
did you talk to him.
quote:I've seen a few with the attitude that they know more than me (which they do about brewing) and that my taste is wrong
every aspiring home brewer does this.
quote:those are not, but those are the two biggest I can think of and where most of our new home brewers come from
mostlikely over 5 yeas ago, but zapps and NOT arent the only competitions. There are bottle competitions almost every month.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 2:10 pm to tduecen
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mostlikely over 5 yeas ago, but zapps and NOT arent the only competitions. There are bottle competitions almost every month.
Red Stick Rye placed 2nd in the National Homebrewers Competition in 2011.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 2:11 pm to Fratastic423
So before the haze hit, they have not adapted and stuck to what they won with
Posted on 5/30/18 at 2:13 pm to tduecen
quote:
I don't remember the brewer from Southern Craft winning any homebrew competitions although I am limited to the last 5 years. No idea what he did before that and no idea if he won ZAPPS since I usually only attend Nola On Tap
There is no competition at Zapp's.
The guys that started LA Homebrew won at the national homebrew competition with their Red Stick Rye recipe a few years back, which is sponsored by the American Homebrewers Association and draws submissions nationwide. It's a major award. For real.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 2:16 pm to LSUBoo
quote:That the same recipe that Southern Craft uses? Honestly curious since I know nothing about the home brewing in Louisiana prior to 2015
The guys that started LA Homebrew won at the national homebrew competition with their Red Stick Rye recipe a few years back
Posted on 5/30/18 at 2:21 pm to 5150Derek
Best of luck! Look forward to trying some stuff.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 2:25 pm to tduecen
quote:quote:
The guys that started LA Homebrew won at the national homebrew competition with their Red Stick Rye recipe a few years back
That the same recipe that Southern Craft uses? Honestly curious since I know nothing about the home brewing in Louisiana prior to 2015
I meant to say the guys that started Southern Craft... not LA Homebrew. That's my bad.
And it's a scaled up version of the recipe, yes.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 2:28 pm to LSUBoo
it is amazing then how things have changed, everything I've had from them has been extremely malty/toffee flavor. Just not a nice summer beer I guess.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 2:29 pm to CarRamrod
quote:
i agree. But in those cities they have the option to sell a few cases of beer of the local package store or a keg or 2 to a bar on the other side of the city if they so wish.
Exactly. Louisiana market is getting saturated. Breweries can't survive because of what they have to do in order to survive in this market.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 2:32 pm to fightin tigers
Market will change #teamscott
Posted on 5/30/18 at 2:54 pm to CarRamrod
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 2:55 pm to tduecen
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