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re: Coffee Thread
Posted on 11/3/24 at 12:50 pm to TBoy
Posted on 11/3/24 at 12:50 pm to TBoy
What’s the hierarchy to great coffee in regards to rankings of process and equipment?
You have good beans, proper roast, fresh roast, good grinder, then equipment? What’s the ranking in equipment? Consistent pressure, etc?
I guess what I’m trying to figure out is if you use great beans with a fresh roast and proper grind, how much value is the actual espresso machine compared to other machines as well as other processes?
You have good beans, proper roast, fresh roast, good grinder, then equipment? What’s the ranking in equipment? Consistent pressure, etc?
I guess what I’m trying to figure out is if you use great beans with a fresh roast and proper grind, how much value is the actual espresso machine compared to other machines as well as other processes?
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Posted on 11/3/24 at 7:12 pm to baldona
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What’s the hierarchy to great coffee in regards to rankings of process and equipment?
The undeniable truth is that you can make great coffee with a pour over, French press, cold brew, Flair, or with any apparatus in which you can control temperature and brewing time.
Spending a lot of money isn’t the key. Some espresso machines make crappy coffee, especially when you can’t control the variables.
In my opinion the two things that have the most impact on the quality of the product are good, freshly roasted coffee and a quality grinder.
Stale, old, cheap coffee beans are incapable of producing good coffee. Once you have identified good beans, if you can’t brew them effectively, it won’t matter. A quality grinder allows for consistent and predictable contact between water and beans. That’s how you make good coffee. I put good coffee and good grinder at the top. With well ground good beans, you can make great coffee without much more investment.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 7:20 pm to TBoy
And just fyi, I don’t use French roast for espresso. When ground finely and put under pressure, there’s almost no natural sweetness. It tastes burnt. My espresso beans are locally roasted medium to dark beans. There’s more flavor.
But I would try darker roasts in pour over because a lot of flavor comes out quickly.
But I would try darker roasts in pour over because a lot of flavor comes out quickly.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 7:35 pm to TBoy
My first espresso setup was a Flair manual espresso maker. I started with the Pro2. They sell refurbished units for really cheap. They also sell good quality manual grinders.
My first grinder was a Baratza Encore ESP.
I’ve upgraded a couple times since then, but that combo could produce fantastic espresso.
For me the key is operator control. If I can control beans, grind, temperature, pressure and time, I can make great coffee. In an electric espresso machine, cheaper machines aren’t as adjustable. More user control generally involves higher cost.
My first grinder was a Baratza Encore ESP.
I’ve upgraded a couple times since then, but that combo could produce fantastic espresso.
For me the key is operator control. If I can control beans, grind, temperature, pressure and time, I can make great coffee. In an electric espresso machine, cheaper machines aren’t as adjustable. More user control generally involves higher cost.
This post was edited on 11/3/24 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 11/3/24 at 8:26 pm to baldona
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What’s the hierarchy to great coffee in regards to rankings of process and equipment?
Grinder is the most important. Make sure you get a flat burr grinder. Don’t do the conical. I’ve got the DF64 and the Legato. I have no complaints and that’s a relatively cheap set up.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 8:51 pm to BigPerm30
Is flat easier to clean or just better? I like my baratza encore except when I need to clean it.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 6:09 am to TBoy
I guess where I’m coming from, is if you use great beans and a good grinder can you make great coffee in an aeropress or French press? What does an espresso machine offer beyond that? I know it’s a different brew, but it sure seems like plenty of coffee snobs enjoy making coffee with those methods
Posted on 11/4/24 at 7:42 am to baldona
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I guess where I’m coming from, is if you use great beans and a good grinder can you make great coffee in an aeropress or French press?
Certainly. Among coffee snobs/professionals, I think pour over is the way to go. Espresso close runner up but can be prohibitively expensive to get into. Both of these methods can really unlock flavors of coffee when done right vs French Press, drip, etc.
As for Sonata vs Legato, I think in the long run the Legato is the better but. But if you aren’t sure you like espresso or the equipment/effort it takes to enjoy the Sonata would be a good entry point. The Sonata is almost identical to the Legato, you miss out of temperature control (PID) and the flow control. A Sonata + an OPV could get you some really good shots.
In terms of importance of equipment/ingredients…I’d say its:
1) Beans
2) Water (<50ppm)
3) Grinder
4) Machine
The DF64 is great, but you may consider something from Eureka with a hopper so if espresso isn’t your thing, you can use it for pour over. The DF64 is a single dose grinder only designed to hold 20 to 40ish grams of coffee at a time.
You’ll also want some accessories: bottomless portafilter, leveling tamper, WDT tool, knock box, puck screen. Can get all of that on Amazon for reasonable prices.
If you’re on FB, get in the Home Espresso Afficionados group and keep an eye out for posts from Joe Kolb. He owns espresso outlet and posts Black Friday deals in there. If you can be quick to order you can get some really good deals. I got my Legato for $300 last year.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 6:44 pm to jordan21210
Anyone have experience with Joffrey's coffee beans? Parents sent me a giant gift set filled with 2 holiday flavored, 2 basic flavored, and 2 single origin blends.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 8:54 am to BilbeauTBaggins
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Joffrey's coffee beans
Never heard of it.
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Joffrey’s Coffee & Tea Co. is the Official Specialty Coffee of Walt Disney World® Resort, Disneyland® Resort, and Disney Vacation Club®.
Let us know what you think.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 9:18 am to BilbeauTBaggins
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Joffrey's coffee beans?
Disney’s house brand. Maybe slightly above Starbucks. Hell, might be Starbucks. I stay away from anything flavored. The single origins are probably passable.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 9:52 am to jordan21210
starting out with the Breakfast Blend (Medium Roast) and it's not bad. tastes just about as good as any of the French Truck beans I've gotten. dialed it in the same and it came out decent
Posted on 11/5/24 at 10:24 am to BigPerm30
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Grinder is the most important. Make sure you get a flat burr grinder. Don’t do the conical. I’ve got the DF64 and the Legato. I have no complaints and that’s a relatively cheap set up.
Its not as much about the money as much as the time and lack of equipment space. My wife has every fricking kitchen gadget known and I'm not far behind with stuff like grills and what not.
I have 2 cups of coffee a day, so I don't mind splurging on great stuff I'll use. I'm just not sure how often I'll use it and if the effort is actually worth it every morning?
I may just get the Legato for my office...lol try it there first where I have a bit of space and more likely to do an afternoon espresso.
ETA: I'm strongly considering a used manually espresso maker like the Flair and grinder. Using my wife's Nespresso milk frother to really bastardize an americano
This post was edited on 11/5/24 at 10:31 am
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