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re: Chinese Apple Juice everywhere....WHY?
Posted on 4/3/13 at 7:11 am to tidehillcrest
Posted on 4/3/13 at 7:11 am to tidehillcrest
Answer: Terrible 2012 US Apple Crop. 90% Loss in Michigan
Great Crop in Washington: Too few workers...crop rots on trees
Great Crop in Washington: Too few workers...crop rots on trees
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Posted on 4/3/13 at 7:43 am to hungryone
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If apple juice from China freaks you out, don't do any research on the US orange juice industry
This would require too much work and might shatter the notion that shite made in america >>> shite made elsewhere
Posted on 4/3/13 at 8:47 am to HideChaKidz
Man Casty got pissed in a hurry on this one. Y'all aren't ballers. I've got an apple tree and a hand crank juicer. Not even burning electricity to make my juice.
And I don't have to use Splenda to sweeten it.
And I don't have to use Splenda to sweeten it.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 8:54 am to Casty McBoozer
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Are you being serious or trolling? Have you done any kind of research about the food in America?
There are several countries that don't allow the kind of chemicals that we allow here in their food supply
This, USA has too much Genetically altered ingredients, MSG,High Fructose sugar, hydrolated oils.....the list does go on.
try buying your precious Andouille without all these preservatives in it....its getting harder to find unless its made locally.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 9:03 am to Tommy Patel
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try buying your precious Andouille without all these preservatives in it....its getting harder to find unless its made locally.
Who in the hell buys non-local andouille? Maybe lazy city people in BR or NOLA. But most people in south LA live within an easy drive of a craft meat market. Many are still using locally raised animals. Great stuff is out there, you just have to expend a tiny bit of attention figuring out where to find it. And, be willing to pay a few pennies more than Sams Cheapest feedlot beef & factory farmed pork.
Don't get me started on factory meats....that stuff makes Chinese apple juice seem like a minor transgression. AND the CAFO meats sure as hell are made in America, fed with American grain...yet they're disgusting (in product quality, animal treatment, wages/working conditions, etc). But something's got to give if lazy Americans want dollar-menu burgers and tacos for less than a buck.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 9:10 am to fr33manator
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I doubt you have any clue how many of the products you use come from foreign sources.
It's globalization.
and there are some people trying to change that; however slowly they may be progressing. "buy local" is not simply a hipster or yuppie slogan to make themselves seem cool .. it's actually a very good economic model. if things continue to move forward and as more small businesses enter the marketplace (and hopefully government regulation stays away) then we'll continue to see reduced overhead and thus lower prices based on less transportation costs. also it's easier to pick and choose what you're putting in your body when you know what your local farmer or food producer is doing to your food.
FDA labeling oversight is pretty good at making the food factory companies be transparent. what we still need is a more educated public and one that cares about not poisoning themselves just because the companies with the biggest advertising budgets are in their collective ear 24/7.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 9:12 am to hungryone
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Who in the hell buys non-local andouille? Maybe lazy city people in BR or NOLA. But most people in south LA live within an easy drive of a craft meat market.
i'm calling BS, richards,verons,and manda are not made in china, and ville platte and Houma are not that far away. I get some from fresh market thats not made in Louisiana and it does not contain all that crap, so be carefull who you call lazy. i'm just pointing out that this ingredient issue affects us all.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 9:21 am to Tommy Patel
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Tommy Patel
Exactly. There is no reason to be eating shitty andouille. If the better supermarket brands aren't doing it for you (Richard's, Savoie's), there is a decent meat store in Port Allen and plenty in NOLA.
And I'd be interested in a link to read up on all this American orange juice stuff.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 9:23 am to Tommy Patel
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i'm calling BS, richards,verons,and manda are not made in china, and ville platte and Houma are not that far away. I get some from fresh market thats not made in Louisiana and it does not contain all that crap, so be carefull who you call lazy. i'm just pointing out that this ingredient issue affects us all.
I don't know a single person who buys Manda anything, besides the Baton Rougeans who grew up with it as a brand. Ditto for Richards and Veron. I see them as products sold for convenience; serious cajun cooks don't use mass market smoked meats. Knock on all the doors in my neighborhood, and you'll find freezers full of Best Stop, Bergeron's, Wayne Jacobs, Bourgeois, Janisse, Chop's, etc etc.
There are plenty of people who live in LA and cook LA style, yet are relatively recent transplants...or are not culturally cajun. Some may think that "any" andouille is good enough. But there are also a whole bunch of consumers out there with deep cultural knowledge of traditional charcuterie, as well as very specific tastes. They're not buying vaccuum sealed smoked pork stuff at Winn Dixie, except in a pinch.
See, I'm old enough to remember when andouille wasn't a widely available product. Pre-1980ish, you couldn't buy andouille in a supermarket, and certainly not in metro New Orleans. John Folse, who is from "andouille country" in St. James parish, & Paul Prudhomme popularized regional country meat market products to Louisianians unfamiliar with the boucherie traditions, and to the wider world.
I can remember when boiled crawfish weren't available in Alexandria, much less Shreveport...
Posted on 4/3/13 at 9:23 am to PRK
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And I'd be interested in a link to read up on all this American orange juice stuff.
the only thing I've read about orange juice is that while it is technically "fresh squeezed" juice from Florida oranges, the company is allowed to add preservatives to it during storage (in huge thousand gallon tanks) and that it can stay in there for weeks before being bottled and that they're not required by the FDA to include the preserving agent in their labeling
Posted on 4/3/13 at 9:24 am to hungryone
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I can remember when boiled crawfish weren't available in Alexandria, much less Shreveport...
damn how old are you?
Posted on 4/3/13 at 9:33 am to Rohan2Reed
Never ask a lady her age.
RE: OJ, the Yale Agrarian Studies series published an entire book on the US OJ industry. Even juice labeled as "never frozen, not from concentrate" can be held for up to a year. It is deflavored--essentially stripped of the aromatic oils that might spoil--and then "reflavored" with orange-derived compounds. Since the flavoring agents are orange-derived, the FDA doesn't require them to appear on labels. Didn't you ever stop to wonder how Tropicana can taste exactly the same, year after year, no matter the season? Agricultural products naturally vary in flavor with weather--so OJ is engineered to "smooth over" any variations. It is as processed as a soft drink, except that a can of Coke just might be fresher.
Here's a link to the book: LINK I'm sure your local public library can get it through interlibrary loan if you don't want to buy it.
Look, Americans are fat because our industrial foods (propped up by gov't subsidies to corn/wheat/soy producers) are CHEAP. We eat too much because food is cheap. Travel to Europe, where a can of Coke is smaller than and more expensive than a glass of wine. Why? 'Cause they're subsidizing grape production and not corn syrup.
RE: OJ, the Yale Agrarian Studies series published an entire book on the US OJ industry. Even juice labeled as "never frozen, not from concentrate" can be held for up to a year. It is deflavored--essentially stripped of the aromatic oils that might spoil--and then "reflavored" with orange-derived compounds. Since the flavoring agents are orange-derived, the FDA doesn't require them to appear on labels. Didn't you ever stop to wonder how Tropicana can taste exactly the same, year after year, no matter the season? Agricultural products naturally vary in flavor with weather--so OJ is engineered to "smooth over" any variations. It is as processed as a soft drink, except that a can of Coke just might be fresher.
Here's a link to the book: LINK I'm sure your local public library can get it through interlibrary loan if you don't want to buy it.
Look, Americans are fat because our industrial foods (propped up by gov't subsidies to corn/wheat/soy producers) are CHEAP. We eat too much because food is cheap. Travel to Europe, where a can of Coke is smaller than and more expensive than a glass of wine. Why? 'Cause they're subsidizing grape production and not corn syrup.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 9:42 am to hungryone
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But there are also a whole bunch of consumers out there with deep cultural knowledge of traditional charcuterie, as well as very specific tastes. They're not buying vaccuum sealed smoked pork stuff at Winn Dixie, except in a pinch.
good points, i actually agree with you, I regret choosing such a sensitive product
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I can remember when boiled crawfish weren't available in Alexandria, much less Shreveport...
I can too, I also remmeber crawfish as only being for bait
Posted on 4/3/13 at 9:49 am to hungryone
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Never ask a lady her age.
My apologies, ma'am.
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RE: OJ, the Yale Agrarian Studies series published an entire book on the US OJ industry. Even juice labeled as "never frozen, not from concentrate" can be held for up to a year. It is deflavored--essentially stripped of the aromatic oils that might spoil--and then "reflavored" with orange-derived compounds. Since the flavoring agents are orange-derived, the FDA doesn't require them to appear on labels. Didn't you ever stop to wonder how Tropicana can taste exactly the same, year after year, no matter the season? Agricultural products naturally vary in flavor with weather--so OJ is engineered to "smooth over" any variations. It is as processed as a soft drink, except that a can of Coke just might be fresher.
Here's a link to the book: LINK I'm sure your local public library can get it through interlibrary loan if you don't want to buy it.
there it is. that is what I was referring to. thanks for the link. I had forgotten about this until this thread.
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Look, Americans are fat because our industrial foods (propped up by gov't subsidies to corn/wheat/soy producers) are CHEAP. We eat too much because food is cheap. Travel to Europe, where a can of Coke is smaller than and more expensive than a glass of wine. Why? 'Cause they're subsidizing grape production and not corn syrup.
Of course both the government and the food industry are culpable to some extent, but also it's the consumers choice what they decide to put in their mouths. Not always easy to eat healthy though especially dependent upon where you live and what's made available to you.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:04 am to PRK
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And I'd be interested in a link to read up on all this American orange juice stuff.
I witnessed a video about foods that are not the best to consume. OJ from Consentrate was #1 then White Bread. There went 80% of americas breakfast choice ( OJ and toast )
I gathered when they concentrate the juice the proccess also removed the fiber that is neccessary for proper metabolization of the juice.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:13 am to Tommy Patel
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I witnessed a video about foods that are not the best to consume. OJ from Consentrate was #1 then White Bread. There went 80% of americas breakfast choice ( OJ and toast )
I gathered when they concentrate the juice the proccess also removed the fiber that is neccessary for proper metabolization of the juice.
Yep, OJ (or other fruit juice) plus refined flour bread is a downright terrible breakfast. If you're stuck on the toast/juice paradigm, try switching to whole wheat bread, nut butter, and an actual piece of fruit. Hell, my standard brekkie is a hardboiled egg and a shot of (decaf, no sugar) espresso, so no one should listen to my lameass nutritional advice anyway.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:23 am to hungryone
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Look, Americans are fat because
We eat too much and exercise too little. Mostly the former.
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Coke is smaller than and more expensive than a glass of wine
About the same for weight loss purposes.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:25 am to Tommy Patel
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OJ from Consentrate was #1 then White Bread.
the ingredients in white bread is unfathomable to me. how is that allowed to be called "bread?"
Posted on 4/3/13 at 11:39 am to tidehillcrest
Apple juice comes from China because American industrial giants (and Americans in general) would happily sell their souls to Satan for a nickle. They would prefer to not make the "Soul Sold" label very big though.
When no one in America buys Chinese stuff. American manufacturers will move their plants to India, Afganistan, Iran, or North Korea, where they belong.
When you take a sip of that Chinese Apple Juice, just remember that the Chinese were they guys who put Melamine in Baby formula to falsely push up the protein assay and killed babies doing that.
Highly moral/ethical folks in China.
When heprin was killing folks, the FDA went to China to inspect the Heprin plants there. They were directed to a specific factory, which they inspected. The Chinese allowed the inspection to run its full course and then when the FDA got back to America, someone discovered they audited the wrong plant and no one in China said a word the entire week they (FDA) were there inspecting.
When no one in America buys Chinese stuff. American manufacturers will move their plants to India, Afganistan, Iran, or North Korea, where they belong.
When you take a sip of that Chinese Apple Juice, just remember that the Chinese were they guys who put Melamine in Baby formula to falsely push up the protein assay and killed babies doing that.
Highly moral/ethical folks in China.
When heprin was killing folks, the FDA went to China to inspect the Heprin plants there. They were directed to a specific factory, which they inspected. The Chinese allowed the inspection to run its full course and then when the FDA got back to America, someone discovered they audited the wrong plant and no one in China said a word the entire week they (FDA) were there inspecting.
This post was edited on 4/3/13 at 11:46 am
Posted on 4/3/13 at 9:14 pm to hungryone
I buy Indian River OJ from Florida... SOOO much better!
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