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re: Chain Lovers Alert, Red Lob, Olive Grdn Failing
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:47 pm to TulaneUVA
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:47 pm to TulaneUVA
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But in a hypothetical, if you took an above average dish with respect to what is available at OG and brought it to, let's say, DiGiulio's...I don't think you would say "ew, gross...terrible". That's my point. You'd probably eat it, enjoy it, get full, and consider it something within the realm of what DiGiulio's would offer.
Yep.
You are arguing with posters who eat Canes, Popeyes, Applebees, Chilis etc. They obviously eat at places like OG and RL if they know enough about them to bash them so much.
Oh, but it's ok to eat there every one in awhile... Yeah, you can't have it both ways. You are either a pretentious foodie who never steps foot in a chain or you are a normal American who isn't above getting a meal at Olive Garden when the time calls for it. There is nothing wrong with that except maybe getting judged by some guy on the internets.
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:51 pm to Powerman
Didn't say Walmart was the problem, did I? I said he was part of the problem. Specifically for these type of comments:
Way to attack the argument by inventing a situation that almost never occurs.
This just sounds ignorant. Like he's spouting off bullet points.
One minute you're rational and the next you say short-sighted petty shite like this.
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In other words, if Joe's and 5 guys have the exact same tasting burgers and service, etc (all being equal)...I'm eating at whichever is cheaper. I don't care which is locally owned.
Way to attack the argument by inventing a situation that almost never occurs.
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It's a free market baby. If they can't compete, then GTFO. It's sad but it's the world we live in.
This just sounds ignorant. Like he's spouting off bullet points.
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The mom and pop stores that offer shitty pay to employees, poor service to customers, and shitty prices are the problem. Not wal-mart. Whoever knew that bringing low prices to a massive consumer base would be so terrible? Probably a bunch of rich white people with IQs barely hovering above double digits is my guess.
One minute you're rational and the next you say short-sighted petty shite like this.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:58 pm to Rohan2Reed
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Way to attack the argument by inventing a situation that almost never occurs.
Well it almost never occurs where you live
Try go living in essentially any podunk town in the Mountain Time Zone and I can almost promise you that you will pay more for local garbage than you will at chains. Hence why chains are so successful in small places with very little in the way of local food culture or in areas that don't have access to an abundance of local produce.
Sure if you're in Huntington Beach or New Orleans the local stuff is probably going to be better. Try going to Casper Wyoming and get back to me on your idea that this situation almost "never occurs"
Maybe not in the small world that you live in
Posted on 7/31/12 at 2:08 pm to Powerman
Well I see you completely misread my post or just chose not to understand who I was responding to with that comment.
But good to see you're sharp when it comes to idiotic personal jabs with zero foundation.
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Maybe not in the small world that you live in
But good to see you're sharp when it comes to idiotic personal jabs with zero foundation.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 2:26 pm to Rohan2Reed
Seemed pretty clear you were responding to TulaneUVA with his comment regarding quality and food prices.
I'm pretty sure I knew you weren't responding to me since I didn't type what was in your quote you were responding to.
This isn't high brow stuff...
I'm pretty sure I knew you weren't responding to me since I didn't type what was in your quote you were responding to.
This isn't high brow stuff...
Posted on 7/31/12 at 3:06 pm to Powerman
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The mom and pop stores that offer shitty pay to employees, poor service to customers, and shitty prices are the problem. Not wal-mart. Whoever knew that bringing low prices to a massive consumer base would be so terrible? Probably a bunch of rich white people with IQs barely hovering above double digits is my guess.
Couldn't have said it any better. Trust me, if Walmart is really all that bad, the market in due time will correct itself. You can see that this already happens with most people when they refuse to buy CERTAIN items from Walmart. Like myself, I'll buy cleaning products and general groceries all day from Walmart. But no way in hell I am buying my jeans or furniture from there. It's a shitty, short lived product and everyone knows it now. Therefore, my money generally gets routed to other chain stores (
) away from WalMart...or local stores that offer those items of high quality, value, and customer service (e.g., the backpacker, Cohn Turner)This post was edited on 7/31/12 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 7/31/12 at 3:11 pm to Rohan2Reed
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Way to attack the argument by inventing a situation that almost never occurs.
It's called a hypothetical. People use them all the time (even in academia...gasp) to make a point. Did you understand what I was trying to say? For most people, quality being about equal, the almighty dollar reigns supreme. And that's how normal people vote...it's reality. Deal with it. I'm sorry your little Mom and Pop shop can't hang with the big boys. If it's so great, it will withstand the test of time.
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This just sounds ignorant. Like he's spouting off bullet points.
What's ignorant about it? It's good diction.
This post was edited on 7/31/12 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 7/31/12 at 3:15 pm to TulaneUVA
Are you the one who posted earlier in the thread that said in a blind taste test the majority of people couldn't tell the difference between Olive Garden and a fine-dining Italian restaurant?
If that's the case, then why would you EVER dine anywhere other than Olive Garden and pay more if it tastes the same to you?
Normal people also think American Idol is a good TV show. Again, as I've stated, being popular or having the most followers or making money because more people shop at your store than don't does not mean it's good for society that you exist. It actually hinders progression.
Well since this is a message board I obviously couldn't hear the accent or inflection in your tone. I was pointing out that saying things like "free market baby!" or "oh well you just have to deal with it" is a juvenile way to make a point.
If that's the case, then why would you EVER dine anywhere other than Olive Garden and pay more if it tastes the same to you?
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It's called a hypothetical. People use them all the time (even in academia...gasp) to make a point. Did you understand what I was trying to say? For most people, quality being about equal, the almighty dollar reigns supreme. And that's how normal people vote...it's reality. Deal with it. I'm sorry your little Mom and Pop shop can't hang with the big boys. If it's so great, it will withstand the test of time.
Normal people also think American Idol is a good TV show. Again, as I've stated, being popular or having the most followers or making money because more people shop at your store than don't does not mean it's good for society that you exist. It actually hinders progression.
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What's ignorant about it? It's good diction.
Well since this is a message board I obviously couldn't hear the accent or inflection in your tone. I was pointing out that saying things like "free market baby!" or "oh well you just have to deal with it" is a juvenile way to make a point.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 3:20 pm to TulaneUVA
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Try go living in essentially any podunk town in the Mountain Time Zone and I can almost promise you that you will pay more for local garbage than you will at chains. Hence why chains are so successful in small places with very little in the way of local food culture or in areas that don't have access to an abundance of local produce.
Thank goodness I've never lived anywhere remotely close to this, and don't think I would.
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Maybe not in the small world that you live in
I think you got it backwards.
I don't bash chains and I don't hate chains. They serve their purpose and provide consistency that some people appreciate.
I choose not to support them when I have other feasible options though.
I know how much goes in to opening a restaurant and I can appreciate a restaurateur who opens a business where profit isn't driving every thought.
It's creating dishes and serving a product that he is truly proud of. Of course he wants to make a profit, but he also wants to do something that he is passionate about (running/operating/cooking/building a successful restaurant). >90% of chains could care less about anything but the bottom line. I'm a little more passionate about the things I believe in to turn a blind eye to their practices. Of course the market will dictate his success, but even in the big BR I can name multiple restaurants in every cuisine that are locally owned and serve a better product than a chain....except for steakhouses.
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TulaneUVA
I'm not really sure why you think locally owned restaurants are so much more expensive than chains(at least you've noted that point several times), but I don't believe that's the case in very many cities and the comparison is kind of silly, as I don't think it equates to a material difference in most cities.
And...I don't agree w/ any of your posts in this thread, so
This post was edited on 7/31/12 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 7/31/12 at 3:23 pm to Rohan2Reed
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Normal people also think American Idol is a good TV show
I agree with you. It is horrible. Same with the Bachelor, Celebrity Apprentice, etc. etc.
But who are we to say this?
In another thread you say: "I wish our society could just let things be instead of having to quantify and categorize every aspect of life."
I like this statement as well. So why not the same attitude toward food?
Posted on 7/31/12 at 3:25 pm to LSUAfro
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I'm not really sure why you think locally owned restaurants are so much more expensive than chains(at least you've noted that point several times), but I don't believe that's the case in very many cities and the comparison is kind of silly, as I don't think it equates to a material difference in most cities.
And lest we not forget, many times when you pay more for food you're getting a better product. Pretty standard economics right there. Now, if some mom & pop is shoveling out the same slop as Applebee's and charging more.. well, then frick 'em both.
I have no problem pulling a few more bills out of my wallet knowing that I'm helping a local businessman AND getting actually food rather than crap created in a laboratory .
Posted on 7/31/12 at 3:26 pm to Rohan2Reed
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If that's the case, then why would you EVER dine anywhere other than Olive Garden and pay more if it tastes the same to you?
Because normal people don't dine alone, and not everyone has the same opinions as I do. They don't necessarily want to go eat RL or OG. Also, I personally pay for the environment. That's how I get the panties to drop. And I CAN tell a difference with certain foods (sushi, steaks, etc).
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Normal people also think American Idol is a good TV show. Again, as I've stated, being popular or having the most followers or making money because more people shop at your store than don't does not mean it's good for society that you exist. It actually hinders progression.
In my hypothetical, I said 'all quality being about equal'. American Idol is not quality.
If a box of crackers is $1.50 at Walmart and the same box is $2.00 at a local stores, you're really going to shop at the local store? Most poeple would say you're not being very financially prudent, but apparently there are some on here who would rather pay more more for the same just to support the local guy.
I also stated that I was not of the opinion that popularity dictated the quality of product. But the popularity of OG and RL is also a sign that it can't be as bad as you guys are saying it is.
I am getting a little beaten off the path due and rebuttling against your tirade against chains and 'Walmarks'.
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Well since this is a message board I obviously couldn't hear the accent or inflection in your tone. I was pointing out that saying things like "free market baby!" or "oh well you just have to deal with it" is a juvenile way to make a point.
Yeah, and short responses like "Way to be a part of the problem :thumbs up and wink:" is the mature way to approach this discussion.
This post was edited on 7/31/12 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 7/31/12 at 3:27 pm to TulaneUVA
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apparently there are some on here who would rather pay more more for the same just to support the local guy.
Toby Keith's old man would.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 3:28 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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Toby Keith's old man would.
Amurica 
Posted on 7/31/12 at 3:29 pm to TulaneUVA
quote:Again...where are you getting this? Where in the hell are you eating that you're paying so much more than a chain and not getting a better product out of it?
apparently there are some on here who would rather pay more more for the same just to support the local guy.
This post was edited on 7/31/12 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 7/31/12 at 3:31 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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I agree with you. It is horrible. Same with the Bachelor, Celebrity Apprentice, etc. etc.
But who are we to say this?
Who is "we?" I am one to say this because I consider myself a decent judge of character and worthwhileness.
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In another thread you say: "I wish our society could just let things be instead of having to quantify and categorize every aspect of life."
I like this statement as well. So why not the same attitude toward food?
Not sure what you mean here.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 3:31 pm to LSUAfro
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I'm not really sure why you think locally owned restaurants are so much more expensive than chains(at least you've noted that point several times), but I don't believe that's the case in very many cities and the comparison is kind of silly, as I don't think it equates to a material difference in most cities.
I don't have evidence to say that locally owned restaurants are more than chains. This argument expanded (undesirably so) to a much larger discussion on chains, free markets, and globalization, so it branched out to other areas of consumerism. There is no doubt that large chains such as WalMart and Home Depot offer better prices that locally owned stores. That's just a fact.
I will say this though. Excluding service and atmosphere, grab two boxes to go. One from DiGiulos or another locally owned Italian restaurant and then go to OG and get something similar (meatballs and spaghetti). The locally owned place WILL be more expensive. At least in Baton Rouge and most smaller cities.
This post was edited on 7/31/12 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 7/31/12 at 3:32 pm to LSUAfro
I forgot to wear deodorant today...that's unfortunate. I'll do better tomorrow.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 3:33 pm to Rohan2Reed
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I am one to say this because I consider myself a decent judge of character and worthwhileness.
Well, can't argue with that.
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Not sure what you mean here.
I'm not sure either.
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