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Posted on 10/1/15 at 8:51 pm
Posted by UnTamedTiger
Thibodaux
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 10/1/15 at 8:51 pm
New to the board and have noticed that there is an ongoing appreciation thread for both distilled spirits and tasty brew.

Please don't burn me at the stake for asking but has there ever been a "Wine" appreciation thread in the past? Has it been tried and failed? Simply not enough wine enthusiast on the boards?

Anyhow... anyone wanting to strike up a conversation related to delicious grape juice... I'll be checking in on the thread.


Quite a few Napa allocations opening up this month. Anyone taking advantage of any offers?
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
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Posted on 10/1/15 at 8:52 pm to
I'm listening.....

I know way too little about wine
Posted by UnTamedTiger
Thibodaux
Member since Sep 2006
3163 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 9:03 pm to
Not really sure how to progress an appreciation thread but since you have expressed interest in learning some basic ins and outs lets start there.

Reading material:

As always online resources are a great start. May I suggest as well an "Idiots guide to Wine" type of publication.

Listening Options:

If you are anything like me and face an hour commute everyday I have really taken to Podcast and enjoy audible learning.

Personally I listing to "Wine for Normal People" , "Guild of Sommerliers" and occasionally 3 Guys and Wine.

The world of wine is so vast I believe it is kind of important to take a 2 prong approach to consumption.

1. Figure our the basics of what you enjoy and explore different offerings within that arena. For example: Red vs White New World (USA, Austrailia,) vs Old World (France, Itlay, Spain, etc...)

2. Don't be hesitant to try new things. Be willing to try a Rose', possibly a desert wine, etc...


Any particular questions I would certainly do my best to answer.
Posted by lilwineman
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
1053 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 9:58 pm to
I passed my level 2 sommelier in 2008 while still living in Louisiana. The wine bible is a great read for a somewhat beginner and very approachable. The key to learning is drink...a lot...and think about what you're drinking...smell stuff that might associate with certain wines and see if you catch those aromas (i.e. Dark fruits for cabs/syrahs, bramble red fruits for Pinot noir, stone fruits/citrus for whites).

On allocated items, I scored a bottle of Sine Qua Non Dark Blossom Syrah and Stock Syrah on Tuesday...gonna lay those down for a decade or more.
Posted by Matisyeezy
End of the bar, Drunk
Member since Feb 2012
16624 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 10:13 pm to
I would love to hear more stories about what your experience with the Somm exam is like. How you prepped, what the actual exam was like, anything. It's completely otherworldly to me, and I have a high degree of respect for it. If you're sniffing Fossil wallets and drinking wines, that's a story I want to hear
Posted by UnTamedTiger
Thibodaux
Member since Sep 2006
3163 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 10:34 pm to
quote:

On allocated items, I scored a bottle of Sine Qua Non Dark Blossom Syrah and Stock Syrah on Tuesday...gonna lay those down for a decade or more.


As someone kind of new to signing up for mailing list and such I only recently signed up for a few. This Fall I was offered allocations to a few but only picked up a 2 pack of Scarecrow's M. Etain' 2013 vintage. I am progressively getting away from some of the larger US producers, i.e. I canceled my Cakebread membership and exploring varying regions focusing on smaller productions.

Just recently I traveled to VA and was really impressed with most all of the offerings from Linden Vineyards. Sadly they do not ship out of state.


Also, to the poster who mentioned the ins and out of the sommerlier exam. If you haven't watched the documentary Somm I would highly recommend watching. Futhermore, the same outfit who produced Somm will be releasing a follow out titled, Into the Bottle this November at the Napa Wine Festival.
Posted by Tiger Attorney
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2007
19671 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 12:11 am to
LINK


I did try...
Posted by UnTamedTiger
Thibodaux
Member since Sep 2006
3163 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 8:58 am to
Tiger Attorney, since you were the initiator of the idea I'll yield to your preference. Would you like to try to revitalize the original thread or pick up and try to make this one work.

Anyhow... I hope to open up a nice French wine this weekend and will report back on Monday of how it showed.
Posted by Artie Rome
Hwy 1
Member since Jul 2014
8757 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 9:14 am to
I go back and forth between it being an art and utter bullshite.
Posted by Panny Crickets
Fort Worth, TX
Member since Sep 2008
5596 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 9:54 am to
This is a great watch for Burgundy lovers.

UnTamed, what type of French wine will you pop this weekend? Looking forward to the review!
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
50255 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:00 am to
quote:


Quite a few Napa allocations opening up this month. Anyone taking advantage of any offers?


No. I´m going to have to delve into the American offering (I´m an Old World consumer, specifically Spain and the odd French or Portuguese sauce).


Posted by Panny Crickets
Fort Worth, TX
Member since Sep 2008
5596 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:06 am to
quote:

Quite a few Napa allocations opening up this month. Anyone taking advantage of any offers?


I've got a sh!tload of wine coming from Napa/Sonoma, but I don't know if I would classify them as "offers"
Posted by UnTamedTiger
Thibodaux
Member since Sep 2006
3163 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:14 am to
quote:

UnTamed, what type of French wine will you pop this weekend?


I am eyeing up a 2010 Chateau Cantemerle from Saint Emilion.

I typically don't spend enough / bottle to reach the price point that Burgundy is commanding these days. I eventually want to explore the village producers and possibly so lower grade Crus but Grand Crue status i'll probably never reach.

I really enjoy the old world but always keep a decent variety of new world as it is a little more forgiving to most dinner guest.
Posted by lilwineman
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
1053 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:21 am to
The exam is rigorous on everything from geology and geography to history and the science of it all. As far as aromas, everyone knows a smell, teaching your brain to unlock it when faced with something that is not it is the hardest thing for most to do. And in response to the art vs BS of it all....it's in the eye of the beholder. To someone who doesn't comprehend the aromatics and nuances or have the availability to taste thousands of wines a year and understand the terroir of each country and region, it can be construed as BS. On the other hand, there's a reason we can pick up a glass, know if it's American or French oak, approximate alcohol, acid, and tannin levels...and then place ourselves in a corresponding part of the world based off of those things and aromatics associated with a specific grape varietal.
Posted by Artie Rome
Hwy 1
Member since Jul 2014
8757 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:29 am to
quote:

To someone who doesn't comprehend the aromatics and nuances or have the availability to taste thousands of wines a year and understand the terroir of each country and region, it can be construed as BS.


It has also been construed as bullshite by several that understand and have access. Just saying...

Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
116136 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:33 am to
I was woefully ignorant on French wine and found it to be confusing as frick. Just tell me the varietal, damnit.

But, I'm trying to learn so that I'm not a complete idiot when I go to Paris at the end of November.

Really dumbed down version:

Burgundy = (red) Pinot Noir, (white) Chardonnay
Loire Valley (white) = Sauvignon Blanc

Right? Because that's mostly what we drink so that's kind of what I need to know.

I'm going to be in there the week after Beaujolais Nouveau...any of that worth drinking the following week or is it all shite?
Posted by lilwineman
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
1053 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:38 am to
And I'll kindly disagree....Sauvignon blanc in New Zealand tastes nothing like Sancerre or touraine....Loire clones from Sancerre do not taste the same in California. Oregon Pinot noir tastes nothing like California, which tastes nothing like burgundy. That argument is valid as saying al lagers taste the same, it's your imagination telling you otherwise. Not to mention yeasts that are alive within wineries also give their own personal touch to a wineries aromatics. There are also tendencies of winemakers that show up every year from their choice of oak/toast level, extraction levels, temperatures at primary fermentation. But once again, it's a lot to comprehend for the majority of people.

And Artie, let me guess you read that one article that everyone seems to fall back on I'm guessing. Just like the article where this company in China tested vaporizers at elongated use at higher temperatures and voltage than should be used causing an increase in carcinogens bc someone intentionally burnt the vaporizer. There is more BS out there claiming something is BS honestly.
Posted by sawfiddle
New Hope, Alabama
Member since Aug 2008
5713 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:40 am to
Ahhh... the great wine debate. I have tried many wines: reds, whites, rosés, expensive, cheap, new , old and found them to all taste not very good. This is blasphemy to wine connoisseurs, but the only two wines that I think taste good are Reunite Lambrusco and homemade muscadine.
Posted by Artie Rome
Hwy 1
Member since Jul 2014
8757 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:40 am to
I have a dear friend who is a pretty well respected wine maker in Cali. He is not pretentious at all and gave me this simple advice. When smelling a red, look thoughtful and say "Mmmmm, currant." When Smelling a white do the same but say "Mmmmm, melon."

quote:

And Artie, let me guess you read that one article that everyone seems to fall back on I'm guessing.


That's one. But I agree with you that there are freaks, and I mean %.01 of the population, that can distinguish the subtleties you are talking about. But I think the vast majority are faking it.

And the bottom line to me is does the consumer enjoy the product and are they willing to pay for it. Not whether they can give you the ph of the dirt the grape was grown in.
This post was edited on 10/2/15 at 10:45 am
Posted by lilwineman
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
1053 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:45 am to
Bordeaux: left bank red (can) right bank red (merlot)
Burgundy...you have correct, however there are other grapes grown there ie Sauv blanc in St Bris
Loire: much more in depth: at the coast is muscadet (melon de bourgogne)...then you have savennieres and quarts de chaume/bonnezeaux (Chenin blanc)...chinon, bourgeuil, and saumur (cab franc)...then Sancerre and pouilly fume (Sauv blanc...Sancerre rouge is Pinot noir)
Rhone; south (red Grenache dominant with Syrah and Mourvèdre white: Grenache blanc, Marsanne, roussanne) north (red is Syrah white is Viognier in condrieu and hermitage blanc would be Marsanne and roussanne)

Champagne is Pinot noir, Chardonnay, and Pinot meunier

Alsace does mostly whites: Pinot Gris, Muscat, Pinot blanc, Riesling, and Gewürztraminer
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