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re: beer can/beer butt chicken

Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:42 pm to
Posted by higgins
flowery branch, ga
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:42 pm to
thanks for the info, fellas. didn't know that spatchcocking was the terminology.
This post was edited on 5/24/16 at 12:43 pm
Posted by cgrand
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:49 pm to
i dont know what to tell you man, and i'm certainly not calling you a liar. but the fact remains that when beer boils, the vapor from the water in the beer is 100% H2O, and contains zero crab boil

liquid crab boil is:

quote:

A delicious blend of the essential oils of cayenne pepper, bay leaves, cloves, black pepper, thyme and marjoram.


oil does not change phase from liquid to vapor at 212 deg. you'd be better off spraying the inside of the chicken with crab boil before you cook it, if thats the flavor you want
Posted by Artie Rome
Hwy 1
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:52 pm to
quote:

oil does not change phase from liquid to vapor at 212 deg


Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:56 pm to
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i dont know what to tell you man, and i'm certainly not calling you a liar. but the fact remains that when beer boils, the vapor from the water in the beer is 100% H2O, and contains zero crab boil


However, alcohol boils at a lower temperature than water, so a beer is going to have some of the alcohol and associated flavors boil off prior to the water. Yes, the vapor from the water in the beer is 100% H2O, but beer isn't 100% water. It's more like 90-95%, depending on the beer used.

So, I would think that in order to make any bit of difference, you'd want to use a stronger beer with more alcohol and more dissolved sugars.

quote:

oil does not change phase from liquid to vapor at 212 deg. you'd be better off spraying the inside of the chicken with crab boil before you cook it, if thats the flavor you want


This makes sense.

Posted by LSUballs
Member since Feb 2008
40423 posts
Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:57 pm to
You ever stuck your head over a pot of crawfish and took in a big lung full? The cayenne/ crab boil in the vapor will take your breath, make your eyes water and snot instantly. I don't know anything about the chemistry involved but I assume the beer can with crab boil is doing the same thing. Or maybe it's just bubbling out a getting into the chicken that way. All I know is if you add crab boil to the beer can you can taste some crab boil in the chicken. Try it and see...
Posted by Artie Rome
Hwy 1
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:58 pm to
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and associated flavors boil off prior to the water


Explain. What flavors bind to the ETOH for vapor purposes?
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104497 posts
Posted on 5/24/16 at 1:00 pm to
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Explain. What flavors bind to the ETOH for vapor purposes?


I would assume some of the dissolved unfermented sugars are going to bond. Not sure about hop oils... no clue if they are going to bond or separate.

I'm no chemist, mind you.

Like this link says... only about 3.5% or so has any flavor. So yeah, probably not a great way to cook a chicken, but saying that the beer has no flavor to add isn't accurate either. It's just not going to spread around the bird.
This post was edited on 5/24/16 at 1:09 pm
Posted by cgrand
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 1:27 pm to
i would assume without checking that some of the essential oils in crab boil are soluble in alcohol, so a very small amount of those oils could be present in alcohol vapor. i honestly do not know

as you said, beet is almost all water though, so the amount of alcohol actually vaporizing is very very small. a worthwile experiment might be to fill the beer can halfway up with everclear, and then add liquid crab boil to that
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104497 posts
Posted on 5/24/16 at 1:29 pm to
I think I'm going to cook a beer can chicken on Thursday and see what I discover...
Posted by HarrisLetsRide
Member since Jan 2015
1493 posts
Posted on 5/24/16 at 1:52 pm to
I'm smoking a chicken on Monday.....recipe for a good brine??
Posted by Dave Worth
Metairie
Member since Dec 2003
1933 posts
Posted on 5/24/16 at 2:11 pm to
To nobody in particular,

To get steam you would have to bring water to a boil. To bring beer to a boil, the temp inside the can would have to reach 212 degrees. Keep in mind this beer is inside a can that is inside a chicken.

So for the beer to reach 212 degrees, the chicken around it would have to reach 212 degrees. Seeing as how breast meat is considered done at 160 degrees, you would have some very dry chicken if you brought the beer to a boil.

I've read where plugging the bird with a can actually hurts the cook. Air can circulate inside the cavity as easily so the bird cooks unevenly.

The biggest benefit of the beer can chicken is that by standing it up you get more circulation of heat to cook it a little more evenly. I would recommend using the beer stand with nothing in it. Or spatchcock like I mentioned earlier.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
25943 posts
Posted on 5/24/16 at 2:20 pm to
I don't get the hate for drunk chicken. You can overcook and still not dry out. Saying the beer won't boil... have you ever tried? The beer can may be insulated on the sides but the bottom of the thin aluminum can is sitting directly over the heat source.
2 hours on my electric smoker and the skin is nice golden brown, crisp and the meat is falling off the bone with juice still running out. To each their own but i will still continue to shove a bud light up a chickens arse and cook it
Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
20509 posts
Posted on 5/24/16 at 2:32 pm to
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I don't get the hate for drunk chicken. You can overcook and still not dry out. Saying the beer won't boil... have you ever tried? The beer can may be insulated on the sides but the bottom of the thin aluminum can is sitting directly over the heat source.

2 hours on my electric smoker and the skin is nice golden brown, crisp and the meat is falling off the bone with juice still running out. To each their own but i will still continue to shove a bud light up a chickens arse and cook it


This

Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
50889 posts
Posted on 5/24/16 at 2:33 pm to
nobody's hating on it.
i cook it all the time (i use good ole miller high life). the beer itself though is not flavoring the chicken

what is happening is three things:

1) the chicken is upright, similar to being on a rotisserie
2) the aluminum can is getting hot, which helps to cook more quickly from inside out
3) the water vapor from the beer is helping to keep things moist, from the inside

all of which contribute to a golden, juicy bird
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
25943 posts
Posted on 5/24/16 at 2:42 pm to
That was always a favorite deer camp meal. Get the coals nice and cooked down and throw the chicken on the pit before going to the stand in the evening. Get back right after dark and it was ready to go

Smother down some potatoes with butter,onion, garlic, salt/pepper and you ate like a king.
Posted by link
Member since Feb 2009
19946 posts
Posted on 5/24/16 at 3:30 pm to
i've got some small foldable stands that i shove up there to keep the bird upright when i'm smoking it. i dry brine with plenty of salt, and it always comes out crispy on the outside with plenty of excess juice on the inside without a beer can. if i ran into a situation where all i had were beer cans, i'd have no reservations shoving one up there, but i don't think there's a noticeable difference in the quality of the meat.
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