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re: beer can/beer butt chicken
Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:42 pm to Artie Rome
Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:42 pm to Artie Rome
thanks for the info, fellas. didn't know that spatchcocking was the terminology.
This post was edited on 5/24/16 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:49 pm to LSUballs
i dont know what to tell you man, and i'm certainly not calling you a liar. but the fact remains that when beer boils, the vapor from the water in the beer is 100% H2O, and contains zero crab boil
liquid crab boil is:
oil does not change phase from liquid to vapor at 212 deg. you'd be better off spraying the inside of the chicken with crab boil before you cook it, if thats the flavor you want
liquid crab boil is:
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A delicious blend of the essential oils of cayenne pepper, bay leaves, cloves, black pepper, thyme and marjoram.
oil does not change phase from liquid to vapor at 212 deg. you'd be better off spraying the inside of the chicken with crab boil before you cook it, if thats the flavor you want
Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:52 pm to cgrand
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oil does not change phase from liquid to vapor at 212 deg

Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:56 pm to cgrand
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i dont know what to tell you man, and i'm certainly not calling you a liar. but the fact remains that when beer boils, the vapor from the water in the beer is 100% H2O, and contains zero crab boil
However, alcohol boils at a lower temperature than water, so a beer is going to have some of the alcohol and associated flavors boil off prior to the water. Yes, the vapor from the water in the beer is 100% H2O, but beer isn't 100% water. It's more like 90-95%, depending on the beer used.
So, I would think that in order to make any bit of difference, you'd want to use a stronger beer with more alcohol and more dissolved sugars.
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oil does not change phase from liquid to vapor at 212 deg. you'd be better off spraying the inside of the chicken with crab boil before you cook it, if thats the flavor you want
This makes sense.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:57 pm to cgrand
You ever stuck your head over a pot of crawfish and took in a big lung full? The cayenne/ crab boil in the vapor will take your breath, make your eyes water and snot instantly. I don't know anything about the chemistry involved but I assume the beer can with crab boil is doing the same thing. Or maybe it's just bubbling out a getting into the chicken that way. All I know is if you add crab boil to the beer can you can taste some crab boil in the chicken. Try it and see...
Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:58 pm to LSUBoo
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and associated flavors boil off prior to the water
Explain. What flavors bind to the ETOH for vapor purposes?
Posted on 5/24/16 at 1:00 pm to Artie Rome
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Explain. What flavors bind to the ETOH for vapor purposes?
I would assume some of the dissolved unfermented sugars are going to bond. Not sure about hop oils... no clue if they are going to bond or separate.
I'm no chemist, mind you.
Like this link says... only about 3.5% or so has any flavor. So yeah, probably not a great way to cook a chicken, but saying that the beer has no flavor to add isn't accurate either. It's just not going to spread around the bird.
This post was edited on 5/24/16 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 5/24/16 at 1:27 pm to LSUBoo
i would assume without checking that some of the essential oils in crab boil are soluble in alcohol, so a very small amount of those oils could be present in alcohol vapor. i honestly do not know
as you said, beet is almost all water though, so the amount of alcohol actually vaporizing is very very small. a worthwile experiment might be to fill the beer can halfway up with everclear, and then add liquid crab boil to that
as you said, beet is almost all water though, so the amount of alcohol actually vaporizing is very very small. a worthwile experiment might be to fill the beer can halfway up with everclear, and then add liquid crab boil to that
Posted on 5/24/16 at 1:29 pm to cgrand
I think I'm going to cook a beer can chicken on Thursday and see what I discover...
Posted on 5/24/16 at 1:52 pm to higgins
I'm smoking a chicken on Monday.....recipe for a good brine??
Posted on 5/24/16 at 2:11 pm to FootballNostradamus
To nobody in particular,
To get steam you would have to bring water to a boil. To bring beer to a boil, the temp inside the can would have to reach 212 degrees. Keep in mind this beer is inside a can that is inside a chicken.
So for the beer to reach 212 degrees, the chicken around it would have to reach 212 degrees. Seeing as how breast meat is considered done at 160 degrees, you would have some very dry chicken if you brought the beer to a boil.
I've read where plugging the bird with a can actually hurts the cook. Air can circulate inside the cavity as easily so the bird cooks unevenly.
The biggest benefit of the beer can chicken is that by standing it up you get more circulation of heat to cook it a little more evenly. I would recommend using the beer stand with nothing in it. Or spatchcock like I mentioned earlier.
To get steam you would have to bring water to a boil. To bring beer to a boil, the temp inside the can would have to reach 212 degrees. Keep in mind this beer is inside a can that is inside a chicken.
So for the beer to reach 212 degrees, the chicken around it would have to reach 212 degrees. Seeing as how breast meat is considered done at 160 degrees, you would have some very dry chicken if you brought the beer to a boil.
I've read where plugging the bird with a can actually hurts the cook. Air can circulate inside the cavity as easily so the bird cooks unevenly.
The biggest benefit of the beer can chicken is that by standing it up you get more circulation of heat to cook it a little more evenly. I would recommend using the beer stand with nothing in it. Or spatchcock like I mentioned earlier.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 2:20 pm to Dave Worth
I don't get the hate for drunk chicken. You can overcook and still not dry out. Saying the beer won't boil... have you ever tried? The beer can may be insulated on the sides but the bottom of the thin aluminum can is sitting directly over the heat source.
2 hours on my electric smoker and the skin is nice golden brown, crisp and the meat is falling off the bone with juice still running out. To each their own but i will still continue to shove a bud light up a chickens arse and cook it
2 hours on my electric smoker and the skin is nice golden brown, crisp and the meat is falling off the bone with juice still running out. To each their own but i will still continue to shove a bud light up a chickens arse and cook it
Posted on 5/24/16 at 2:32 pm to bayoudude
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I don't get the hate for drunk chicken. You can overcook and still not dry out. Saying the beer won't boil... have you ever tried? The beer can may be insulated on the sides but the bottom of the thin aluminum can is sitting directly over the heat source.
2 hours on my electric smoker and the skin is nice golden brown, crisp and the meat is falling off the bone with juice still running out. To each their own but i will still continue to shove a bud light up a chickens arse and cook it
This
Posted on 5/24/16 at 2:33 pm to bayoudude
nobody's hating on it.
i cook it all the time (i use good ole miller high life). the beer itself though is not flavoring the chicken
what is happening is three things:
1) the chicken is upright, similar to being on a rotisserie
2) the aluminum can is getting hot, which helps to cook more quickly from inside out
3) the water vapor from the beer is helping to keep things moist, from the inside
all of which contribute to a golden, juicy bird
i cook it all the time (i use good ole miller high life). the beer itself though is not flavoring the chicken
what is happening is three things:
1) the chicken is upright, similar to being on a rotisserie
2) the aluminum can is getting hot, which helps to cook more quickly from inside out
3) the water vapor from the beer is helping to keep things moist, from the inside
all of which contribute to a golden, juicy bird
Posted on 5/24/16 at 2:42 pm to cgrand
That was always a favorite deer camp meal. Get the coals nice and cooked down and throw the chicken on the pit before going to the stand in the evening. Get back right after dark and it was ready to go
Smother down some potatoes with butter,onion, garlic, salt/pepper and you ate like a king.
Smother down some potatoes with butter,onion, garlic, salt/pepper and you ate like a king.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 3:30 pm to cgrand
i've got some small foldable stands that i shove up there to keep the bird upright when i'm smoking it. i dry brine with plenty of salt, and it always comes out crispy on the outside with plenty of excess juice on the inside without a beer can. if i ran into a situation where all i had were beer cans, i'd have no reservations shoving one up there, but i don't think there's a noticeable difference in the quality of the meat.
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