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Any of you have any experience opening a food stand?
Posted on 1/16/20 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 1/16/20 at 3:10 pm
Was thinking of maybe doing some street food for fun on some weekends. Not looking to make money or anything, breaking even would be fine. What I'm really wondering is the red tape I'll have to go through. I know it's different jurisdictions, being in TN, but I've seen some shady people selling food off the streets everywhere I go so you never know. Is there a lot of paperwork to fill out and keep, tax forms, racketeering, etc.?
Any insight appreciated.
Any insight appreciated.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 3:11 pm to beantown
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Not looking to make money or anything, breaking even would be fine.
You must be incredibly bored.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 3:48 pm to beantown
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Was thinking of maybe doing some street food for fun on some weekends. Not looking to make money or anything, breaking even would be fine. What I'm really wondering is the red tape I'll have to go through. I know it's different jurisdictions, being in TN, but I've seen some shady people selling food off the streets everywhere I go so you never know. Is there a lot of paperwork to fill out and keep, tax forms, racketeering, etc.?
I have a small cottage food business. Paperwork/red tape varies widely depending on jurisdiction. Call your local health department to determine what is/is not allowed, if you're trying to be legal.
At a minimum, you will need:
--some sort of ServSafe or other food handling training (online course, usually, approved in your state)
--a business/occupational license issued by your town/county
--a tax ID number (EIN) issued by the IRS...you will use this to remit your sales taxes to your local jurisdiction (local, county, state)
Depending on health codes in your area, you may need to have handwashing/sink capacity on site, as well as access to bathrooms for patrons. Some places waive these requirements for festivals or special events, or farmer's markets. But farmers' markets come with their own special rules and requirements.
Depending on what you plan to serve, different regulations will apply. For example, if you are simply selling shelf-stable items (like baked goods), you may not need the same level of food safety precautions that would be required for preparing food from scratch on-site. Some states allow you to prepare food in a home kitchen for sale to the public; others do not. Those that do allow "cottage" (home based) food businesses usually have clear regulations on what is/is not allowed. Some states require all food sold to the public to be produced in a licensed commercial kitchen.
Now, most people who do pop ups are not really following the health code. In LA, there are practically NO health inspectors detailed to investigate this sort of activity, so you could be in business for years and never see a health inspector....unless someone complains or gets sick.
But why in the hell would you be considering this venture if you only want to break even? What's the point? If you have free time and like to make food, go volunteer at a homeless shelter, soup kitchen, kids' group home, senior citizens center, community center or food bank.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 4:17 pm to hungryone
I guess I misspoke, my goal isn't to break even, I'm just not looking to turn an immediate profit.
Thanks for the info! I'll definitely check out my local farmer's market, that could be a good venue to start at.
Thanks for the info! I'll definitely check out my local farmer's market, that could be a good venue to start at.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 9:10 am to beantown
I'm somewhat familiar with this for Nashville actually.
Get a business license and tax ID.
Check with Dept of health for additional requirements.
I'm assuming you'll be cooking food from a trailer/cart? If you want to set up on public property, you'll need a sidewalk encroachment permit and follow the rules on where you can set up (downtown only, wide sidewalks, distance requirements from buildings, crosswalks, fire hydrants, etc...). For private property, contact the property owner and work out a deal to rent space. Parks and Rec allows vending in some Parks as well if you go through their application process.
You can also apply to be a vendor at festivals and events all over the region. As for Farmers markets, most of them have rotating food trucks. You might be able to join the rotation, but going up against well established, high quality trucks will be difficult if you're just a hot dog cart.
Get a business license and tax ID.
Check with Dept of health for additional requirements.
I'm assuming you'll be cooking food from a trailer/cart? If you want to set up on public property, you'll need a sidewalk encroachment permit and follow the rules on where you can set up (downtown only, wide sidewalks, distance requirements from buildings, crosswalks, fire hydrants, etc...). For private property, contact the property owner and work out a deal to rent space. Parks and Rec allows vending in some Parks as well if you go through their application process.
You can also apply to be a vendor at festivals and events all over the region. As for Farmers markets, most of them have rotating food trucks. You might be able to join the rotation, but going up against well established, high quality trucks will be difficult if you're just a hot dog cart.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 10:37 am to beantown
I don't know what your specific goal is, but establishing a relationship with a bar or other local business to do popups seems like the best option IMO. The farmer's market is a good idea too, but more regulations since that is an established thing.
Like hungryone mentioned, you have a better chance of going unnoticed by the health department as a popup in bars and other businesses since you're in a different spot most of the time. Lots of people do this in the New Orleans area. (Southerns, Budsi's, Milkfish, Little Kitchen, Hatch + Harvest, etc. etc.)
Like hungryone mentioned, you have a better chance of going unnoticed by the health department as a popup in bars and other businesses since you're in a different spot most of the time. Lots of people do this in the New Orleans area. (Southerns, Budsi's, Milkfish, Little Kitchen, Hatch + Harvest, etc. etc.)
This post was edited on 1/17/20 at 10:38 am
Posted on 1/17/20 at 10:41 am to beantown
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Was thinking of maybe doing some street food for fun on some weekends. Not looking to make money or anything, breaking even would be fine.
Just my opinion but that seems like an incredible amount of stress and work to just have something to do on weekends
Posted on 1/17/20 at 10:54 am to LouisianaLady
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Like hungryone mentioned, you have a better chance of going unnoticed by the health department as a popup in bars and other businesses since you're in a different spot most of the time. Lots of people do this in the New Orleans area. (Southerns, Budsi's, Milkfish, Little Kitchen, Hatch + Harvest, etc. etc.)
Thanks, this was kind of what I was looking for.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 11:02 am to Ed Osteen
Spoken like someone with actual food prep experience!
I talk to young (and not so young) people all the time who want to start a food truck, farmers market stall, pop up, etc. Most have exactly zero experience making food for more than 6-10 people. I always ask, do you like washing dishes? So effing much of food service is cleaning. Either you need to enjoy doing the dishes, or someone on your team needs to be lovin’ it, cause you’re gonna spend lots of time doing it.
Also, if you are shopping at retail prices for ingredients, you will never make a profit. Learn your community’s local wholesalers, and figure out storage for your dry goods, serveware, paper products, etc. Cause the only thing more tedious than the cleaning is the shopping. You won’t have sufficient ordering volume to get stuff delivered by the locals, so you will be driving to pick up your supplies, week after week (I’m talking about perishable stuff).
You can plan to drop your gym membership, too: hauling all of your kit and supplies to a pop up or a farmers market will provide you with plenty of heavy lifting.
I talk to young (and not so young) people all the time who want to start a food truck, farmers market stall, pop up, etc. Most have exactly zero experience making food for more than 6-10 people. I always ask, do you like washing dishes? So effing much of food service is cleaning. Either you need to enjoy doing the dishes, or someone on your team needs to be lovin’ it, cause you’re gonna spend lots of time doing it.
Also, if you are shopping at retail prices for ingredients, you will never make a profit. Learn your community’s local wholesalers, and figure out storage for your dry goods, serveware, paper products, etc. Cause the only thing more tedious than the cleaning is the shopping. You won’t have sufficient ordering volume to get stuff delivered by the locals, so you will be driving to pick up your supplies, week after week (I’m talking about perishable stuff).
You can plan to drop your gym membership, too: hauling all of your kit and supplies to a pop up or a farmers market will provide you with plenty of heavy lifting.
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