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re: A question for those of you who put tomatoes in jambalaya
Posted on 5/5/14 at 6:38 pm to Mike da Tigah
Posted on 5/5/14 at 6:38 pm to Mike da Tigah
quote:I was born and raised in New Orleans and I always heard that Creole jambalaya had tomatoes and Cajun jambalaya did not. I don't know how accurate that is since I am neither Creole nor Cajun, but that's what I always used to heard the old folks say.
You know, if you trace the roots of jambalaya back to its parent paella, tomatoes as an ingredient is almost a no brainer. I'm not saying it's a rule or anything, but it's far from strange to see tomatoes in jambalaya.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 7:11 pm to L.A.
That's as accurate as you are going to get. And I enjoy it from time to time. I've eaten as many gumbos as most Americans have eaten Campbell's Chicken Noodle Soup as have many on this board and no two were the same. I don't argue when someone puts a steaming hot bowl in front of me. I thank them, put my napkin in my lap and proceed to eat like I'm going to the electric chair. Tomatos? Fine. File' okra, duck, crawfish, celery, no celery, rabbit? I don't give a shite.
I'd rather have a free bowl in front of me than a Pre frontal lobotomy.
I'd rather have a free bowl in front of me than a Pre frontal lobotomy.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 7:18 pm to L.A.
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I was born and raised in New Orleans and I always heard that Creole jambalaya had tomatoes and Cajun jambalaya did not. I don't know how accurate that is since I am neither Creole nor Cajun, but that's what I always used to heard the old folks say.
There is a very strange aversion to tomatoes in most Cajun one pot cooking I find in most people. I don't understand it to be honest with you, but yeah, you will always tend to find a lot more tomatoes in Louisiana French Creole dishes to that of Cajun. If I had to guess, I'd say this boils down to the fact that New Orleans being a port city had a lot more access to tomatoes and many other ingredients than did Cajuns who tended to source their products from what they killed or grew locally at the time, so when jambalaya made it's way to the area it developed traditionally by what they knew and had access to, and so while New Orleanians and surrounding areas were using more tomatoes, it became much more common in their dishes.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 7:25 pm to L.A.
IMO if you make jambalaya brown and use kitchen bouquet to do so, I would rather eat a tomato infested jambalaya any day.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 7:31 pm to zztop1234
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IMO if you make jambalaya brown and use kitchen bouquet to do so, I would rather eat a tomato infested jambalaya any day.
Sure, because the whole point in color comes from the browning of the meat and gradeaux at the bottom of the pot, so you can imagine that the sausage and butt probably doesn't have much browning to it.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 10:46 pm to Mike da Tigah
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There is a very strange aversion to tomatoes in most Cajun one pot cooking I find in most people.
I'll disagree, but just a little bit. It is true that most Cajun one pot cooking is brown and very rural. I believe tomatoes belong in none of those traditional dishes the Cajuns brought with them or learned early upon arrival. However, by the time I grew up, there were always fresh tomatoes in the garden growing, but they were used more as a salad/side than a main ingredient in a dish. A big plate of rice and gravy with some salted tomatoes and cucumbers on the side is pretty damned good food.
I'd see tomato based sauces in seafood preparations WAY more than anything else. Think sauce piquante with whatever your seafood of choice is (or maybe chicken) or a catfish courtbullion. But, on the whole, when it came to fowl, pork, beef, etc., you'd be way more likely to see browned, smothered, fricassed, or gumbo and stew type treatments than anything tomato based.
The one exception other than seafood dishes that comes to mind that I ate growing up is something like a stuffed bell pepper or cabbage rolls. Those usually have a tomato based sauce, but those treatments are way more of a German contribution to the cuisine and you tend to see that preparation more in parts of the world close to where Germans settled, like Robert's Cove and the cities near it, like Rayne, Crowley, Church Point and so on. These kinds of non-traditional preparations entered the Cajun culinary landscape because the German neighbors taught us how to make them and we could use the produce we had when it was ripe to extend proteins and make a dish that we really didn't come here with, but learned to make because we realized it was pretty good stuff to put into your face.
Goddamnit. Now I'm hungry.
This post was edited on 5/5/14 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 5/5/14 at 11:38 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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I believe tomatoes belong in none of those traditional dishes the Cajuns brought with them or learned early upon arrival.
Same French technique, knowledge, and many of the same classic traditional dishes all French knew, including those in NOLA and elsewhere.
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But, on the whole, when it came to fowl, pork, beef, etc., you'd be way more likely to see browned, smothered, fricassed, or gumbo and stew type treatments than anything
I agree that it's the way it is, but traditional fricassee for example as you referenced does include tomatoes on many occasions, when tomatoes can be sourced, which was the problem for the Cajun French living off the land back in the day. The same for wine, tarragon, and carrots, which is another reason you don't see it in the Cajun variant of the dish as much as in the French Creole version, many times being another braise or sticky chicken. Same thing for carrots in a mirepoix being replaced with bell peppers and now called a trinity I'd say. Traditional French dishes are wide ranging, but usually the regional differences that separate them, are like in any other area, incorporating what one can source close to home for freshness, and because before refrigeration and fossil fuels it was what they could get their hands on readily, which I'd say is why things become traditional and regionally specific.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 6:05 am to TigerstuckinMS
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. A big plate of rice and gravy with some salted tomatoes and cucumbers on the side is pretty damned good food.
My face got contorted and now I'm smoking a Benson and Hedges.
I need five more weeks and I will sit down with this exact meal from my garden along with a pitcher of sweet ice tea and I will be in heaven.
Then I'll move to my signature Bunny Bread, Blue Plate mayo, thick sliced Cooks ham, fresh sliced Cherokee Purple tomato and salt and pepper sandwich.
I'm going to take a nap.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 10:06 am to L.A.
Anything that I will put tomatoes into the pot with rice generally get Del Monte brand (original recipe) whole tomatoes which get pureed and tossed in.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:19 pm to L.A.
Just squeeze some ketchup over it.
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