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Vetoed Trade - need some input
Posted on 10/9/19 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 10/9/19 at 4:13 pm
0.5 PPR/10 team
trade accepted: Deandre Hopkins for Phillip Lindsay
Team A: 2-3
QB - Russell Wilson, Carson Wentz
RB - James Conner, James White, Frank Gore
WR - Deandre Hopkins, Cooper, AJ Green, Edelman, Sanders
TE - Evan Engram
DEF - Steelers, Panthers
Team B: 4-1
QB - Tom Brady, Baker Mayfield
RB - CMC, Phillip Lindsay, Kerryon, Ekeler, Breida
WR - JuJu, Robert Woods, Watkins, Golden Tate
TE - Kittle, V.Davis
DEF - Bears
Team B is arguing that it's not collusion while Team A is pleading his case that he needs an RB1. As commish, I leave it up to the league to decide if a trade is fair or not. 4 votes later its been vetoed and they're both pissed.
Their argument is that it makes both teams better which it technically does but it makes a strong team even stronger and it affords the lesser team to at least field a lineup of relevant starters.
I do not see this as collusion but I'm having a hard time getting them to understand that this is not a fair deal.
trade accepted: Deandre Hopkins for Phillip Lindsay
Team A: 2-3
QB - Russell Wilson, Carson Wentz
RB - James Conner, James White, Frank Gore
WR - Deandre Hopkins, Cooper, AJ Green, Edelman, Sanders
TE - Evan Engram
DEF - Steelers, Panthers
Team B: 4-1
QB - Tom Brady, Baker Mayfield
RB - CMC, Phillip Lindsay, Kerryon, Ekeler, Breida
WR - JuJu, Robert Woods, Watkins, Golden Tate
TE - Kittle, V.Davis
DEF - Bears
Team B is arguing that it's not collusion while Team A is pleading his case that he needs an RB1. As commish, I leave it up to the league to decide if a trade is fair or not. 4 votes later its been vetoed and they're both pissed.
Their argument is that it makes both teams better which it technically does but it makes a strong team even stronger and it affords the lesser team to at least field a lineup of relevant starters.
I do not see this as collusion but I'm having a hard time getting them to understand that this is not a fair deal.
This post was edited on 10/9/19 at 5:33 pm
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Posted on 10/9/19 at 4:17 pm to hollywoodhead
Trade should stand. Period
Posted on 10/9/19 at 4:19 pm to hollywoodhead
Didn't see the league commissioner step in when the Redskins traded two first round picks and a second to move up four spots for RG3.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 4:20 pm to hollywoodhead
I hate these. It's not collusion, so it should stand, but it's a crock of shite, I agree. Team A owner is retarded. Lindsay is not an RB1 and isn't even having a good season by RB2 standards, so I don't know what he's smoking. Hopkins is "underperforming" and he's still top 15 with a ceiling of THE WR1.
The argument about "making both teams better" is debatable at best. Not sure Lindsay should start over White.
I wish there was some middle ground solution for when a trade isn't collusion, but it's so lop-sided that it's bad for the league parity overall
The argument about "making both teams better" is debatable at best. Not sure Lindsay should start over White.
I wish there was some middle ground solution for when a trade isn't collusion, but it's so lop-sided that it's bad for the league parity overall
Posted on 10/9/19 at 4:21 pm to hollywoodhead
Trades should only be vetoed in the event of collusion.
I can't stand when people cause an uproar because they don't believe a deal is "fair". Everyone pays the same entry fee and it doesn't entitle you to run other people's teams.
9 times out of 10 when people veto it's because they're jealous they didn't go for the same trade.
I can't stand when people cause an uproar because they don't believe a deal is "fair". Everyone pays the same entry fee and it doesn't entitle you to run other people's teams.
9 times out of 10 when people veto it's because they're jealous they didn't go for the same trade.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 4:27 pm to hollywoodhead
We don't even vote on trades in tdfl or the regulars league. If something is so bad that it looks like collusion those people would just be booted out (it doesn't happen).
This trade doesn't look anything like collusion.
This trade doesn't look anything like collusion.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 4:31 pm to Neauxla_Tiger
quote:
Lindsay is not an RB1 and isn't even having a good season by RB2 standards, so I don't know what he's smoking. Hopkins is "underperforming" and he's still top 15 with a ceiling of THE WR1.
The argument about "making both teams better" is debatable at best. Not sure Lindsay should start over White
Lindsay is the RB12 in PPR and has outscored Hopkins thus far. He’s borderline RB1 in a 10 team. Hopkins isn’t currently top 15. James White is RB25
One team has crappy RB, one has crappy WR. You could probably get a better RB for hopkins but nothing is egregious here by the numbers
Posted on 10/9/19 at 4:39 pm to hollywoodhead
Trade is bad but shouldn’t be vetoed. Quit letting salty league members vote on vetoes and make the call yourself, commish.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 4:46 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:
Lindsay is the RB12 in PPR
Hadn't seen his stat-line from this past week, so that's my B. Still, he had two 25+ point weeks and then three weeks of 10 or less points. That's a guy who ends the season as a high-end RB2, low-end RB1, but he burns you 2/3 times you start him. And good luck knowing when he has his blow up game.
quote:
Hopkins isn’t currently top 15
OK, he's 17, you got me. He's still got as safe a floor as there is and he's due to get back in the end-zone. Watson isn't going to have many 5 TD games where none go to Hop. Got to look at potential future scoring and not just look at current numbers in a vacuum. quote:
James White is RB25
After skipping a week for the birth of his child. He's way more consistent and on the better offense with better QB. Like I said earlier about Lindsay, he can have a great game, but you have to stomach his abysmal games in between.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 4:48 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:
Lindsay is the RB12 in PPR and has outscored Hopkins thus far. He’s borderline RB1 in a 10 team. Hopkins isn’t currently top 15. James White is RB25
Posted on 10/9/19 at 4:52 pm to Neauxla_Tiger
quote:
Got to look at potential future scoring and not just look at current numbers in a vacuum.
Of course, but the onus is on the trade partners to decide what may happen
But this is where crying veto goes wrong. You cannot veto a trade based on what might or might not happen in the future.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 4:54 pm to hollywoodhead
Trade vetos should not be allowed. If two people do something totally retarded like CMC for a kicker or something, they should be kicked out the league.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 4:59 pm to Neauxla_Tiger
I don’t see the problem with this trade. It’s just the name power and history
Posted on 10/9/19 at 5:02 pm to DallasTiger45
quote:
Trade is bad but shouldn’t be vetoed. Quit letting salty league members vote on vetoes and make the call yourself, commish.
100% agree. This is the 9th year of the league and the first time we’ve had an issue (which is why we've stuck with league voting) but this seems like the most logical solution
Posted on 10/9/19 at 5:05 pm to hollywoodhead
quote:That's kind of shocking tbh. A veteran league like that shouldn't have vetoed a trade like this
This is the 9th year of the league
Posted on 10/9/19 at 5:05 pm to DallasTiger45
quote:
Trade is bad but shouldn’t be vetoed. Quit letting salty league members vote on vetoes and make the call yourself, commish.
Having people veto the trade just because it's not "fair" is, in my eyes, closer to collusion than the actual trade itself. Getting people to trade is hard enough as it is.
Hollywood, you need to just drop the Commish hammer on this one. Change the settings and allow the trade to be processed. You have a panel of unbiased "experts" here at TD that have reviewed the trade and determined it's not collusion.
Voting on trades is a setting that should never be in place, especially if you are running the league and can change the settings.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 5:16 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:
But this is where crying veto goes wrong. You cannot veto a trade based on what might or might not happen in the future.
Sure, and I said I wouldn't veto.
But I really don't like the "it's either collusion or it's not" argument when debating trades. Think there's plenty of gray area trades that can't fit neatly into one category or another and they hurt the competition of a league overall. Some are obviously collusion, like CMC for a kicker. Then there's one's like this that are debatably lop-sided, but not collusion. Then you have stuff like Philip Rivers for Aaron Jones that's not even close to even/fair, but by this board's opinion, if it's not collusion, it's allowed. I'm not a fan. FTR, that doesn't happen in any of my leagues, but it's an example of why that analysis is stupid, IMO
Posted on 10/9/19 at 5:18 pm to Neauxla_Tiger
quote:but if the person trading Rivers for Jones paid THEIR MONEY and is still in contention to win, who are you to tell him that's not going to make his team better?
But I really don't like the "it's either collusion or it's not" argument when debating trades. Think there's plenty of gray area trades that can't fit neatly into one category or another and they hurt the competition of a league overall. Some are obviously collusion, like CMC for a kicker. Then there's one's like this that are debatably lop-sided, but not collusion. Then you have stuff like Philip Rivers for Aaron Jones that's not even close to even/fair, but by this board's opinion, if it's not collusion, it's allowed. I'm not a fan. FTR, that doesn't happen in any of my leagues, but it's an example of why that analysis is stupid, IMO
This post was edited on 10/9/19 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 10/9/19 at 5:29 pm to Neauxla_Tiger
quote:
Philip Rivers for Aaron Jones
As Commish, I would find it very hard for the teams involved in this trade to justify this move and I would likely not let this particular trade be processed.
But first I'd have to evaluate the current standings, full rosters and the FA options on the wire to make a judgement.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 6:16 pm to Neauxla_Tiger
quote:
That's a guy who ends the season as a high-end RB2, low-end RB1, but he burns you 2/3 times you start him. And good luck knowing when he has his blow up game.
That’s not your place to decide that type of shite man, that’s pretty messed up for you to let the league veto it
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